Mission MPT-Ti

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I have been meaning to drop off some thoughts about the MPT-Ti. Get knowledge and share knowledge: the reason I love the Internet.

You can see the MPT on this page: Mission Knives & Tools Product Page. The only difference is that mine, which I believe is a newer one, now has grooves in the handle like the MPK.

I picked this over the MPK. The design (knife and sheath) seemed to be more streamlined, it was exactly the size I was looking for, and it had a nice choil. The MPK-10 in titanium was the other knife I earnestly considered. I paid $289 for the MPT-Ti. I am in Iraq and end up using the knife pretty much every day. Some days are much harder than others.

The knife is very light for its size and the handle is extremely comfortable. The handle design, with its thumb ramp, gives you a lot of control. I have not had problems using the knife with or without gloves, in temperatures that were down to freezing (with windchill).

My handle was missing the lanyard hole, which was odd and unfortunate. A lanyard is second nature for me. Anyway, a quick email to Mission Tools and Craig wrote me right back, offering to replace the knife or modify my existing one. I'll probably go for the latter after returning CONUS.

It should be noted that I have large hands. Others with medium hands also said the handle was great. Those with smaller hands said it was a little unwieldy. All of those who handled it remarked how light it was.

The sheath was very tight at first, but has loosened up so that it does still grip the blade firmly, with no sound even when shaken. I wish it was not quite so tight in the sheath. I had hoped that the two slots on the back would be the right width for the straps on my Blackhawk pistol drop-leg holster. They were a little too narrow (1", while I think the straps are 1 1/2"). I secured the holster to the straps with some flat cord and heavy tape. The setup is nice, putting the knife in a spot where it is easy to reach and always on me, even if I am not wearing my flak.

The knife is easy to unbutton and draw. However, the coating on the button is already wearing off to reveal the brass (I think), underneath. I will figure out a fix for that.

The blade was not quite shaving sharp when it arrived, but that was no big concern. Some prior WWW investigation said that "almost" shaving sharp was about par for the course on the titanium Missions. I know that the titanium alloy is about RC 47, so I would rather have a more durable edge than a narrow, easily bent over, one.

The knife was used to cut damaged comm wire, mostly slashwire (field telephone) and cat 5 (standard computer network cable) to pieces. This was to prevent it being used by insurgents in their IEDs (yes, they have used cat 5 before). Cat 5 is harder to cut, because it has an outer protective sheath, then 4 pairs of intertwined wires inside. I trap the line under my foot, pull with my left hand to give tension, and then slice through the wire. Wash, rinse, repeat. The MPT cut through a lot of wire, maybe 150 cuts through slashwire and about half that through cat 5. It performed well; maybe a bit better than a normal edged Becker CU7 or Ka-Bar, because the serrations do a good job of cutting without hanging up on the copper wire inside.

After the above, I could see some reflection where the edge was bent over slightly. I have found that the titanium bends over more easily than steel, but the MPT's edge cleans up pretty well by "steeling," but using a diamond rod.

The blade goes through rope easily. Again, the serrations work nicely and do not hang up at all, like some I have used. Where I have noticed the serrations hang up is if I hold something like comm wire in my left hand, bend it over into a loop, then try to cut through the loop. That feels bad, probably dangerous. I have not tried this with rope, because there has not been any need yet. Cutting 550 cord like this was no problem.

We also use knives to destroy sandbags. Hold the knife tip outboard, edge toward you (or down), then stab into the filled bag and pull toward yourself. Sand in Iraq comes with lots of little rocks and stones in it, very hard on the edge. After about 30 bags, one Marine's Ka-Bar was so dull that you could saw on your arm with no effect. It lost a large amount of material from the edge. The titanium knife dulled up a little, but the difference in wear between the other knives and the MPT was striking. I think the other knives were all Ka-Bars or Benchmades in 1095 and 154CM steel. If I only cut a few sandbags just "steeling" the blade with a diamond sharpening rod will fix things up.

Also used the knife to pry/dig the hinges off of a wooden door (nails and screws hammered in and bent over were holding the hinges on). Being jabbed in and contacting the hard steel screws or nails caused some damage to the edge and the knife, mostly the last 2 inches or so, flexed a lot while I was prying. It took a tiny permanent bend. I think the MPT has too thin of a tip for prying. I was wishing for a Becker or something with a more robust tip when I took off those hinges. The MPT is made, obviously, as something of a fighting knife. Hence, the thin tip for penetration. Since I picked it up as an all-purpose knife to eventually be my dedicated dive knife, and I tend to pry with that tool, maybe I should have gotten an MPK-10. (But, I like the choil.) My guess: I'll probably break the tip sooner or later and then send the knife in to have it modified - in the end a little shorter, but with a thicker tip. I should email Mission and ask how much that would be, to prevent any surprises.

The titanium does bend to points where I would expect a steel knife to break.

The coating on the blade seems very durable. You can hardly tell I have been stabbing it into sandbags. The sheath and handle have taken some hard whacks, with little more than a small indentation in the sheath noticeable. As for corrosion resistance, it lives up to the hype. The knife does not care if you put it away wet, even salt water. The sheath can be easily rinsed out if it gets full of grit. Fuel or oil was washed off with soap and water, with no lasting effect. I wonder how the handle would do if exposed to solvent, like the dunk tanks for weapons.

If you need a corrosion-resistant knife (more like impervious, so far), the MPT is a very good choice. It is a functional knife, unlike the other titanium knives I have used. It leans more toward being a fighter than a general purpose knife, because of the thin tip.

If I could tune it for myself, I would make the tip much thicker and widen the tie-down slots on the back of the sheath to 1 1/2".

Make sure you have a diamond sharpening rod to true up the edge, because it does bend over easy (compared to steel knives I have used). I will see if that can be tweaked any by reprofiling the edge, once I have the chance. This might be a good candidate for a convex grind.

Lastly, the wear resistance, when compared to 1095 and 154CM, was amazing. This is one of the few times, when comparing knives made of different materials (usually steels), that I could actually tell the difference in wear resistance. It was certainly the most dramatic demonstration of wear resistance playing a part in edge retention.

In the future (a couple of months), if it is appropriate to update this review, I will stop by and add a reply with the new information.

SSgt Andrew Borntreger, USMC
Al Anbar, Iraq
 
This is exactly the type of a knife review that gives me much better idea what to expect from a combat/utility knife than does chopping through 2x4s and cutting manila rope. Thank you for the great post.
 
Badmovies said:
Some prior WWW investigation said that "almost" shaving sharp was about par for the course on the titanium Missions.
This isn't a material limit, Ti can get just as sharp as steels, it is a bit difficult though as since it is softer the edge can be more difficult to get crisp.

...the serrations work nicely and do not hang up at all, like some I have used
They are very fluid, one of the better serrations patterns I have seen.


The titanium knife dulled up a little, but the difference in wear between the other knives and the MPT was striking. I think the other knives were all Ka-Bars or Benchmades in 1095 and 154CM steel.
The 154CM benchmades have pretty high wear resistance, but probably saw a lot of edge fracture on hard rock contacts, Mission's Ti is next to impossible to fracture so it does really well there compared to the high carbon stainless steels.

I'll probably break the tip sooner or later
The tip on the MPK is fairly thin as well, but the flexibilty of Mission's Ti has to be seen to be believed, it does fracture as much as you literally have to tear the material apart. I saw a 200 lbs individual bounce up and down on a MPK with the tip in a tree.

Great overview, I look forward to any updates. You should forward this to Mission if you have not already done so.

-Cliff
 
Cliff,

do you think Beta-Ti would be the ultimate blade material if it were as hard as steel (59-60HRC)? And, is it going to happen some day in your opinion?
 
If Mission's Ti was harder it would be fairly difficult to outperform, plus its very lightweight nature would offer interesting blades, like a huge brush knife which had the reach and weight of a large machete but the stiffness of a stout bowie.

Will we ever see materials which have a corrosion resistance better than the highest stainless steels, and are tougher and more ductile than many of the better steels, and are lighter besides. Probably, they might also get easier to grind, cheaper to buy etc. .

-Cliff
 
No, the geometry isn't what I would want for a user, the Tanto being the best of a bad bunch in the regard. I curious about the material though, so I tend to keep an eye out on Ebay. The resale value is horrible though as they can't sell there at all on full price, so the purchase is a write off and I contacted them awhile ago asking about various properties of the material, no responce, which as well doesn't do much to raise my interest.

-Cliff
 
Cliff Stamp said:
If Mission's Ti was harder it would be fairly difficult to outperform,

Cliff, do you think increasing the hardness of Beta-Ti by 12-13 point would drastically decrease its toughness as it is the case for steels?

I know this is a difficult question to answer, because Ti alloys have never been that hard... but what would be your guess?
 
This might be a stupid questian but why can't titanium be made harder or at least on par with normal knife steel?
 
Dalko said:
...do you think increasing the hardness of Beta-Ti by 12-13 point would drastically decrease its toughness as it is the case for steels?
I don't think it can even get that hard, if Mission could be running it harder without it going severely brittle it would beg the obvious question as to why don't they.

As for why it can't get harder, Ti is very soft, like Iron. When it is alloyed with other materials it can be made harder as different crystal structures form.

The hardness limits of the materials are the hardness of these structures and what percentage of them can form.

-Cliff
 
how are these ti knives tempered?

maybe a diff. temp. process could increase performance
 
Mission hasn't released their heat treating method to the public. In general differential hardening allows you to run a spine softer than an edge for greater toughness. I don't think Mission can even get the edge harder in the first place. Note, not all materials are heat treatable in a differential process, or readily anyway. Not a lot of differential ATS-34 for example though it would certainly be more suitable that way for larger knives.

-Cliff
 
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