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Some of the seller's facts are incorrect. For example: Camillus knives made during WWII had steel linings because of the shortage of brass.

Tom Williams
 
Some of the seller's facts are incorrect. For example: Camillus knives made during WWII had steel linings because of the shortage of brass.

Tom Williams

i have heard that before, so its not true??? Huh there i go again learning something new on here:D
so what was the purpose of the steel liners?? i have a 40's Utica Barlow with steel liners and a Camillus 4 line TL29 with gimp shield that has steel liners (center liner is brass, because of the lock for the Screwdriver)
ivan
 
I don't think that brass is necessary for the screwdriver blade lock.
I have 3 bone handled Camillus TL-29s that have steel liners and steel locks.

The pic with only one knife in it is one I got this week. You can see the steel lock best in that picture.

Dale
 

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I don't think that brass is necessary for the screwdriver blade lock.
I have 3 bone handled Camillus TL-29s that have steel liners and steel locks.

The pic with only one knife in it is one I got this week. You can see the steel lock best in that picture.

Dale

my 2 TL 29 (camillus and Kutmaster) both have the brass mid-liner and lock tab as does my camillus Fishermans luck... Anybody know why they switched up on the liners at all if it wasnt for war rationing reasons:confused:
ivan
 
I am not sure I understood your question, but I will take a stab at it;

The reason they switched to steel liners & bolsters was that most of the brass was going to other military applications. Steel was more abundant & stronger than brass, so they used steel for the bolsters & liners.

There are certain applications where brass performs far better than steel, such as in shell casings. They made the liners & bolsters from steel or iron, thus saving a large amount of brass for rifle cartridges.

Hope this helps,
Dale

EDIT:
Tom said the seller was wrong on some of his facts, not all.
Finding a knife of mid 20th century manufacture, with steel liners & bolsters is generally inductive of manufacture during WWII.

Brass was used in artillery shell casings & rifle cartridge casings. Brass is an alloy of copper and zinc; both also have other war time uses. Copper is used widely in communication & for electrical wire. Zinc is used to prevent corrosion of steel and also in batteries.

Nickel silver is an alloy of copper & nickel and sometimes also contains zinc. Nickel also has wartime applications. It is used for plating, and used extensive in steel, including tool steel such as D-2.

From this it is easy to see that the US government would limit the use & availability of brass & nickel silver for knife manufacture, as they had far more critical use for brass, copper, nickel & zinc.

A folding knife could just as easily be made of all steel, except the handle, and still function perfectly, even though decades later (long after the war was over) they are prone to rusting.
 
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Some of the seller's facts are incorrect. For example: Camillus knives made during WWII had steel linings because of the shortage of brass.

Tom Williams

this is what has me confused (not that hard:D) Camco says it wasnt because of shortage of brass (rationing?)

but you're suggesting it might be??
Thats my question What was the reason to switch to steel if there was no shortage (as Camco stated)

ivan
 
The cutlery's switched because it was the law. The General Limitation Orders specifically on Cutlery (L-140) Copper / Brass (M9C) and the Priorities System PR-17 all of 1942 made it illegal to use. The military requested specific items from brass and the cutlery's made them in brass but only when requested and approved. The all steel pocket knife known as the MIL-K was made with brass liners in 1944 just as an example.

All the best
Frank Trzaska
 
The cutlery's switched because it was the law. The General Limitation Orders specifically on Cutlery (L-140) Copper / Brass (M9C) and the Priorities System PR-17 all of 1942 made it illegal to use. The military requested specific items from brass and the cutlery's made them in brass but only when requested and approved. The all steel pocket knife known as the MIL-K was made with brass liners in 1944 just as an example.

All the best
Frank Trzaska

Wow thank you for the information, that clears it up then
ivan
 
Thanks for the input Frank!


Ivan,
Maybe what Tom was getting at was that there was no shortage of brass, but that Camillus was not allowed to use the brass they had for production, unless it was approved?

Dale
 
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