Models...

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No, not knives, but the women in those silly fashion shows nowadays...

Ok, I just don't get it. I sure don't think girls that skinny, pale, and scary-looking belong anywhere else but a hospital or out at halloween. Am I alone in this sentiment?!?
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:barf: Whatever happened to good-looking models in good-looking clothes? What does this say about the direction of our culture and our youth? Maybe I just didn't get enough sleep...

Chris
 
In my fashion model hall-of-fame (mostly from early memories of the Sports Illustrated swimsuit edition):

Cheryl Tiegs, Christie Brinkley, Elle MacPherson, Rachel Hunter

Eric
 
Nope. You're dead on balls accurate. These women look more like little boys than women to me. I think cheap beer drinkers have consumed so much Budwiser that they can't desipher a good woman from a sniveling little snot. But thats just me. I miss Sophia Lauren and her ILK. Thems was women.
 
I think you have a very good point, Chris. I've never been attracted to Skeletor, and I really can't see how gaunt walking corpses can sell anything. What good is fashion if it just looks like an expensive sheet wrapped around an old corn husk? In all actuality, i've never been attracted to the model look anyway. Women with very angular faces, cheeks, and bodies are not as beautiful as a girl with a warm smile, rounder cheeks that actually dimple, and an hourglass-ish figure to me.

I guess it boils down to, "ya can't trust a zombie";) or like the sign in my mother's kitchen said, "Skinny cooks can't be trusted." My wife is not a rail nor is she heavy set at all. However, man o' live, can she russle up some swanky grub.

Those ladies can suck in there cheeks and stomp angerly around the catwalk all they like. Gimme a good natured lady with a knock-your-socks-off receipe for beef stew any day of the week:D

Jake
 
Hey, maybe they are zombies!!! We should do the age old test. Behead a few of em. LOL.
 
The desire for models that look anorexic comes from the fact that people tend to look fatter in photographs. People are 3D and when their images get put onto a 2D medium, it just looks that way.

So when girls become models, the companies they work for are constantly telling them to lose weight. One of my neighbors when I was a kid was into modeling. She did her modeling in PDX when we were in high school. If there was one girl in the high school that looked like she could stand to gain a few pounds, she was the one. But she was always on a diet trying to lose weight. I don't remember once when she had not been instructed by her employer to lose weight. According to them, she looked too fat in the photos. So you see how it goes.

So that's where it starts. And since these are the girls/women who model fashion clothes, clothes in catalogs, etc. they have become the standard of beauty by which other women are judged. And thus begins the vicious circle: the models lose weight so that they don't look fat in the pictures, people think they look good in the pictures, they keep losing weight, and peoples taste changes so they expect thinner models and models that have a little more flesh look "fat."

Whenever people were taking pictures of her, my grandmother used to put on a poker face. I think that the reason for that was that in her day, it wasn't considered proper to smile in a photograph. This probably was due to the fact that the exposures in really early photos were often more than 5 minutes, sometimes as long as 20 min. to 1/2 an hour. Try holding a smile for that long. So people obviously didn't smile. And that became considered proper. Many of the people in these photos also have crossed eyes for the same reasons. Try looking at a fixed point for five or ten minutes without letting your eyes wander. (Fortunately, it never became "proper" to cross your eyes in a photo.)

I have been into photography for about 30 years and in the past 15 years have taken about 30,000 photographs. When I see a photograph, I can see through the illusion of greater girth that the medium causes. And I have to say that looking at most of these models turns my stomach. It's about looking at pictures of survivors of the concentration camps after WWII.

Anyhow, that's what I think about it, and I have spent time thinking. But then, I could just be full of feces.

James
 
There is also a horrific irony going on here. The top fashion designers are gay men for the most part, and don't find a curvacious woman, or any woman for that matter, attractive. They are placing their ideal of a thin young man onto the women's fashion industry. Think about this-women are being made to feel guilty about their curves by a group that wouldn't be interested in them no matter how skinny they might become!

john k
 
There is also a horrific irony going on here. The top fashion designers are gay men for the most part, and don't find a curvacious woman, or any woman for that matter, attractive. They are placing their ideal of a thin young man onto the women's fashion industry. Think about this-women are being made to feel guilty about their curves by a group that wouldn't be interested in them no matter how skinny they might become!

john k


this gave me a good laugh.

Speaking as one of 'today's young people' I can assure you that 'fashion models' are as unattractive as you can get short of crossing the 200+ lb divider. Those gaunt sneering skeletons are just about the last thing I would ever want to find in my bed (or even in my house).
 
First off, I like women with more meat on them too. Models, for the most part, are way too thin - either to be attractive, or healthy. To me at least.

That said, a model's primary job is to show the clothes; only a secondary requirement to look pretty. Clothes tend to "hang" better if there aren't large, uhm, bits of anatomy getting in the road. The flow isn't interrupted by ... well, you get it.

When those clothes actually hit the styles sold at retail, the dimensions all have to change to suit the bodies of real women. At which things can get much more interesting.
 
A runway model's job is to basically be a walking coat hanger, so it makes sense that they are very tall, thin and angular. Also, fewer secondary sexual characteristics == fewer alterations to make the clothing look the same as it does on the dress form, I'd imagine.

It does disturb me that actresses, who are NOT paid to be walking coat hangers, seem to be going in the same direction -- "plus-size" in Hollywood now seems to be a literal term. I'd imagine they'll have to make new negative sizes soon, for when size 0 is considered just a touch too zaftig. :rolleyes:
 
I don't like fashion models either. But I do like the ones in the Victoria's Secret catalog and Sports Illustrated swimsuit edition. They actually have curves.
 
Last Madrid Catwalk show banned models with a BMI below 18 as they didnt want annorexic/heroin chic type models. Personly I like a few curves.

Heres an article in the same vein, From todays UK Telegraph.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/fashion/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&grid=&xml=/fashion/2006/09/20/efskinny20.xml

Spiral

Hilary Alexander: my fight with Hugh Grant

Charlotte Coyle would have no problems in Madrid. At 5ft 11in, with long blonde hair, huge aquamarine eyes and undeniable charisma, she is a successful model. She also has one vital statistic that the organisers of the Spanish capital's Fashion Week might find particularly attractive – a body mass index (BMI) of 26.4.


Cole vs Coyle: unlike super-skinny Lily Cole
, Charlotte Coyle has not been asked to model for London Fashion Week
BMI (calculated by dividing weight in kilograms by the square of height in metres ) is the indicator used to determine a healthy weight, and the Spaniards have caused a furore by declaring that all models on the catwalk this week must have a BMI of more than 18. This is an attempt to stop scarily underweight models stalking the runways like death on two legs.

In fact Charlotte's figure is actually rather too impressive – even for el fashionistas. Her BMI is just over the top edge of the "normal" range. And that is the reason why, despite her stunning looks, Charlotte has not been asked to hop on to the catwalk this week in Madrid, London or anywhere else.

Yet this is something she's proud of. For her success as a model so far has been in the "plus-size" market, and now Charlotte is the face for a very different, albeit unofficial, fashion campaign – one that aims to change radically the way the modelling industry works.

In March she was the subject of a Channel 4 documentary, Beauty Reborn, that followed her attempts to get a plus-size beauty pageant off the ground. Not surprisingly, she found most of the fashion industry unable or unwilling to get involved. It is not a position Charlotte has much time for.

"The fashion industry is supposed to be about shock," she says. "So let's do something really shocking – like using bigger models."

Certainly, the time is ripe for a new attack on the cult of extreme thinness. Madrid's decision to ban ultra-thin models follows the death of Luisel Ramos, 22, in Uruguay last month from a heart attack moments after stepping off a catwalk. She had been told to lose weight and had been existing on little more than fluids.

Elsewhere in the world, however, the Spanish edict has been met with equal amounts of cheer and scorn. The Mayor of Milan threatened to follow suit, while an Australian modelling boss declared it a "positive step" for the industry. But in New York the talk was of discrimination lawsuits and in Paris, well, "everyone would laugh", says Didier Grumbach, the head of the French Couture Federation.

London's fashion community declared itself unmoved – even when Tessa Jowell, the Culture Secretary, called for designers to shun girls who appear too skinny. The Government is being lobbied by doctors and parents, who are alarmed by the trend among celebrities to shrink themselves to an American size 0 (British size 4). This, they argue, is having a quantifiable effect on the number of girls suffering from anorexia.

Dr Jon Goldin of Great Ormond Street Hospital in London said yesterday that the glamourisation of emaciated women was significantly to blame for the number of seven-year-olds being treated for eating disorders.

One of Britain's most successful models, 18-year-old Lily Cole, whose size has been particularly criticised, has decided to fight back. "I am fine," she says. "I am healthy. I eat." At 5ft 11in – the same height as Charlotte Coyle – she would need to weigh at least 9 stone 3lb to be allowed onto the Madrid catwalk. While her weight is a closely guarded secret, most observers doubt she is that heavy.

Charlotte is more relaxed about revealing her weight. "I think I am about 13½ stone." she says. Raised in a family of five children in Derry, Northern Ireland, Charlotte, 24, was raised on regular Irish food and was a "chubby child", she says.

By her teens she was a size 14-16 and dieting furiously. "I read all the magazines and I believed their message: that you can't be beautiful unless you look like this – that is, thin. So I tried eating nothing but steamed rice and drinking water, crazy stupid diets like that. I thought being thin would make me happy."

Charlotte's breakthrough came in America four years ago. She was working as a receptionist in a salon in Washington when someone came in and uttered those immortal words: "You should be a model."

What he meant was plus-size modelling, a huge industry in America, where so many women are obese but still dare to enjoy clothes.

Charlotte was overjoyed when an agency took her on its books. "I never liked being bigger – suddenly I was valued for it. In front of the camera for my first shoot, I finally found what I was good at."

Charlotte returned to the UK a size 18-20, with a portfolio she was sure would land her work. It was, however, very different. "The negativity was horrible. I was toned and healthy looking but agencies told me to drop to a size 14. Don't you think that is outrageous? In the real world, size 14 is not a 'plus' size. The average British woman is size 16 and about 5ft 5in tall."

Charlotte is not a model basher. "Some of the girls on the catwalk are naturally slim and they look good. There are girls who are naturally size 8 and that is okay. But others are forcing themselves. You can tell who has an eating disorder – their bones are sticking out everywhere, their faces are emaciated and their eyes are saying 'feed me'. It is so sad someone had to die for this issue to be properly debated."

During filming of her documentary, Charlotte interviewed many of fashion's most influential names. The experience left her in no doubt about where the taste for skinny models originated, and why.

"The magazine editors told me they couldn't use larger models – even sporadically – as the designers didn't make any clothes big enough. Designers told me it cost too much money to create larger ranges."

Her solution is simple. Why not keep the slimmer girls for the catwalk, but use bigger girls for advertising and editorial work, for cosmetics, for example?

"There's no issue about clothes sizes, and bigger girls have less wrinkled skin, anyway. Let's have variety," she says.

Charlotte is now with the Close Models agency run by Harriet Close, who agrees with her. "The larger girls have fabulous skin and look incredibly healthy. I think women want to see models who look more like them – who have a few curves."

"What I want is balance in beauty," says Charlotte. "It shouldn't be skinny or nothing." Good sense, but she has a fight on her hands to convince the fashionistas.​
 
A runway model's job is to basically be a walking coat hanger, so it makes sense that they are very tall, thin and angular. Also, fewer secondary sexual characteristics == fewer alterations to make the clothing look the same as it does on the dress form, I'd imagine.

The basic concept is to find someone who fits the clothing without having to do alterations. The last thing a designer or retailer wants to do is to alter (destroy the value of) a $50,000+ dress. This means the girls must be tall (to wear the full length hem ~5'9"+). Not all are thin; there is actually a move on to move the industry away from that anerexic look; but it is much easier to fit a slightly thin girl to a dress, then it is to fit someone who is just plain too large. Fortunately, the designers are trending larger, so the days of the string bean may be comming to an end.

n2s
 
anorexic is not good...I agree. But my background in art (life drawing, etc) leaves me with a morbid fascination in being able to see anatomy so clearly.

So, while I'm against poor health and absurd expectations...I can't help but be fascinated/intrigued at the same time.

*shrug*
 
Hey, maybe they are zombies!!! We should do the age old test. Behead a few of em. LOL.
Testing, yes. Beheading, no. Kid, you're starting on the wrong end of a woman to check how she functions. She may make a better wife than you think.....and a couple kids does wonders for a skinny girl's figure! :D :D :D
 
I've only ever uh "been" with one model, but that was enough. Them bony girls will hurt a feller. Nossir, give me a gal that's got some meat to go with them taters. Josh, and to an extent Sir Mixalot, have got the right idea. :D ;)

Sarge
 
eh, I drool for a few seconds when I see the cover girls of Cosmo, FHM,Maxim, etc. but I won't ever waste more than a few seconds pondering it.

There is WAY the hell too much emphasis on beauty, makin' people all daggum screwy in the head from starvin' braincells I reckon...:D

Thing is, if I were married to Ms. America, Angelina Jolie, or any other big name model I know darn good an' well I'd still be lookin' at some other chicks butt when she walked by within a month or two.

My idea is to find a woman who looks decent enough, and be happy with her if she's got the right stuff on the inside, and quit sweating the exterior packaging.

Of course....I do happen to be married to a woman who is actually pretty darn easy on the eyes for a fat, balding, Shrek lookin' dude like myself.:D

Models? YECH! BAH!! PHOOEY!! who needs 'em?!
 
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