Mold/Mildew?

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I live in an upstairs condo unit. Typical HVAC/water heater in a closet setup...water heater is sitting on floor, HVAC unit is sitting suspended above water heater...ducting out through the ceiling. There is a PVC drain in the floor (stubbed up about 3 inches or so). The overflow from water heater is copper pipe and runs into this drain. The HVAC unit has a primary and secondary drain for evaporator coil.

I started noticing a musty smell coming from air vents throughout. After some investigation, I discovered that there was some blockage in the primary and secondary drain lines and some mold was present. Property management got maintenance to install new drain piping after I removed the old. I have poured bleach down this drain in the floor and that seems to have removed most of the mold/mildew smell but it seems to still be present some. Its obvious that the smell is coming from down in the drain. I don't know how long this problem has been going on but I have 6 months left in the lease and am afraid it might come back in warm weather next spring as the A/C is operational and draining.

My question is...is there something besides bleach that might be a better option to control mold/mildew in that drain? I have no idea where that drain runs. There is no obvious place where it exits the building. I would think that drain would be trapped somewhere down the line...especially if it feeds into sewer downstream. It is draining for sure, I have poured a lot of water down the line and there is no sign of it backing up or draining slow.

Another thing I had thought of...the primary/secondary condensate drain pipe and water heater drain pipe both feed into this drain pipe in the floor, but there is some space around them so the HVAC unit could draft up any smells from that pipe into the intake of the air handler since the return is the closet with filter in bottom of air handler. I would think that preventing any air drafting up from that drain pipe would be the best option there?

Also, the configuration of the condensate lines, both primary and secondary are like this...primary is a trapped line that runs vertically down to the drain in floor after the trap. The secondary is not trapped and its tied into the vertical piece of pipe going into floor drain. I'm thinking that I may be drafting odor up through that secondary condensate drain since it ties in after the trap. I have hard that a lot of units don't use the secondary drain and simply maintain the primary to prevent water damage caused by any blockage.

Thanks for any ideas on this.

John
 
The other option is that the trap has dried out and what you smell is coming up from the sewer. This can happen on a little-used drain. For example, if you have a floor drain in a place where there is seldom water on the floor.
 
Could be in the duct work?

I thought at first it might be in duct duct work. It is not. Once I initially replaced the condensate drain pipes, the odor went away immediately. I tested it before installing a new condensate line to floor drain with a pan to catch water. It is definitely in the drain that is in the floor. I don't suspect sewer...it was happening back in late August when A/C was running a lot. I'm pretty sure its must a mold/mildew issue in that pipe....on down the pipe out of site.

Do you know of any chemicals other than bleach that might be more aggressive to pour down that drain? I continue to pour water/bleach mixture down the drain every other day or so to flush it out.

John
 
Bleach will do, but it has to touch the mold. Just pouring down may not touch all surfaces.

I wonder if one could spray Frigi Fresh, a spray used to kill mold and mildew in automotive AC systems, down the drain might work?
 
Go to the hardware store and see if they sell a brush like a bottle brush or a toilet brush but with a longer flex handle. Use that to go into the drain as far as you can and mechanically brush the insides of the drain with the bleach you are using. Then rinse it with lots of hot water.
 
Bleach is the way to go. I ordered a bunch of brushes [didn't know which would fit ] from McMaster-Carr and kept brushing with bleach until no more black mold was present .It's never come back. If you have allergies take it seriously !!
 
Thanks for the feedback guys. As far as I know, I'm not allergic to it but I still take it seriously. You all have confirmed what I was thinking in the back of my mind, I will probably use a fish tape to see how far down pipe I can go to get an idea of where trap is. May just secure some old rags with bleach to the tape and see what I can get. I only have to be here six more months but that's still too long to risk the issue coming back up especially since I may go month to month before I purchase property of my own. I've read mixed reviews of the Frigi Fresh but I'll definitely keep that in mind too.

John
 
The reason I suggested Fridgi Fresh is simply that it is a spray and would atomized and maybe reach areas a liquid might not. A rag on a fish tape soaked in a strong bleach solution, moved slowly and with a twisting motion and more bleach solution poured in behind it might be perfect.
 
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