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Six Killed in Greyhound Crash; Passenger Says Driver Attacked

Wednesday, October 03, 2001


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MANCHESTER, Tenn. — A Greyhound bus crashed Wednesday, killing six of the 38 people aboard and prompting Greyhound to halt all service nationwide as a precaution, authorities said.


The bus crashed after a passenger slit the driver's throat, another passenger told a Nashville television station. Steve DeFord, a spokesman for the Coffee County Sheriff's Department, said he could not confirm details of what happened. But he told NBC "the assailant" was among those killed and that the investigation has been turned over to the FBI.

Six people were killed and the 32 others on board were injured, said Dana Keaton, Tennessee Department of Public Safety spokeswoman. The extent of the injuries was not immediately determined, Greyhound spokeswoman Karen Chapman said.

The bus, No. 1115, was en route from Louisville, Ky., to Atlanta when it crashed at 5:15 a.m. CDT, Chapman said. The crash happened near Manchester, 50 miles southeast of Nashville on Interstate 24.

Speaking by cellular phone from the crash site, passenger Carly Rinearson told Nashville TV station WTVF that a man who appeared to be 30 to 35 years old kept approaching her front seat and asking what time it was. She said the man then asked if he could have her seat, and she refused.

Afterward, "he just went up to the bus driver and, like, slit his throat, and the driver turned the wheel and the bus tipped over," Rinearson said.

Dallas-based Greyhound stopped all service as a precautionary measure after the crash, spokeswoman Kristin Parsley said. About 1,900 of its 2,300 buses had been on the road when the crash occurred, she said.

She said buses already en route were allowed to continue to their destinations.

Chapman said the company halted all its service "to see if the incident would impact the safety of passengers elsewhere." She would not confirm an on-board attack or say why the crash might impact other buses. She did say, however, that nationwide service would not normally be halted after one accident.
 
....more of our freedoms could be taken away from us again because of incidents like these....where mass media and society thinks banning items will automatically supress usage....
 
As it has been said before, "if knives were outlawed only oulaws will have knives" :rolleyes: Sad but very true.
 
Yup, call me paranoid and say "you are safe" but I am packing a USP.45 WHEREVER I go. Times in OUR Society have changed, probably for a very long time. Now the nuts and the maniacs come out and dialing 911 and waiting for help just will not work. Time we, the GOOD CITIZENS who voluntarily comply with the LAWS OF THE LAND take up a firearm for protection and not only keep yourself safe-er, but maybe, just maybe help others. just be well trained and have the absolute appropriate mindset, and if you break leather and stick that finger in the trigger, the decision must have been ALREADY made as it's a forever decision....IMHO only........wolf
 
Yup, I have a bad feeling that before too long, we'll all be carrying sharpened sticks, and rocks for defense when "they" take away all our guns and knives.:(.

Rather than go after the jerks who mis-use guns and knives, "they" would rather ban them.:mad:.
 
The only guns they will be rounding up are the ones that are registered....and I will gladly state, that in many places in America, they wont get any......especially in the SOUTH!! If you have voluntarily complied with all the laws the IDIOTS in Washington have passed....I am sad to say you may not have anything to protect yourself and your loved ones with..... :(
PS...guns are no good against antrax :(
 
Tom Mayo.
"The only guns they will be rounding up are the ones that are registered...."

Tom is right, that's just what they did in the UK. You can't do a thing about it. Shooters in the UK are all law-abiding people so
they didn't mind so much registering their guns. You think, well,
if it stops crime it's a good thing.....but then you get one bad
shooting tragedy and goodbye handguns.
This Grayhound bus story was on the TV here tonight, and at the end
of the report they showed a guy with a wicked looking knife and said that passengers were not searched before riding on these buses.
Look out guys, they are after your knives, and your guns.:(
 
Tom, you indicated the South as the place where there are many "unregistered" guns -- care to ammend that to include the Southwest -- or did you intend that "we" are part of the South?? Regardless -- we're here, too!!! :)
 
God Bless New Hampshire!!! Live Free or DIE!!!! All of a sudden, that has very significant meaning....Time to really think. Screw Gun Laws, who has the firepower? The gang-bangers and the nuts. I go nowhere without a firearm cause I plan to LIVE FREE and NOT DIE!!!! and it is time WE ALL IN this great Country become experts with a firearm, learn the Legal and moral implications, get the MINDSET and be prepared and be ready to issue deadly force and if necessary....
Double-tap.......wolf
and my signature line is just a side-joke with my wife for GD's sake!!!!!!
 
The Sheeple Continuum of Force:

1. Vilify
2. Regulate
3. Confiscate

The process can be applied to anything -- guns, knives, martial arts instruction, and at a slightly more metaphorical level, freedom of speech and freedom from unreasonable search and seizure.
 
Originally posted by wolfmann601
God Bless New Hampshire!!! Live Free or DIE!!!! All of a sudden, that has very significant meaning....Time to really think. Screw Gun Laws, who has the firepower? The gang-bangers and the nuts. I go nowhere without a firearm cause I plan to LIVE FREE and NOT DIE!!!! and it is time WE ALL IN this great Country become experts with a firearm, learn the Legal and moral implications, get the MINDSET and be prepared and be ready to issue deadly force and if necessary....
Double-tap.......wolf
and my signature line is just a side-joke with my wife for GD's sake!!!!!!
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Some people may not know the meaning of your comment "Double Tap", but I couldn't agree with you more.
 
Unfortunately, Razoredj is right on the money. As I've said before, the price of freedom is eternal vigilance, including vigilance of our countrymen and elected officials. We gotta get some knife enthusiasts into congress.
 
I apologize for that term. I got emotional. We are at WAR, WE as AMERICANS must now realize that in order to be protected, the reality of dialing 911 is that the troops arrive to the scene AFTER the critical incident. It is time to face the cold hard fact. That we live in a very dangerous land and we, should we decide to take and bear arms to protect our family, our friends, neighbors, fellow citizens, and OURSELVES Must train, be on Red Alert, have already made up one's mind as to what you will do when confronted with serious bodily injury or death and MAN IT IS IMMINENT and raise that weapon, finger in the trigger, Heart pounding so fasrt and so hard, your chest feels like it will explode and shoot until the threat has been ended, stopped, neutralized. The days of being reactive and thinking we can call for help are over. it is time to be proactive and when the scumbags of this world think about doing harm and begin their action, you or I might just be there and end the event and be safe, THEN dial 911....IMO only.......wolf
 
hey wolfman, the only thing you should apologize for is not using a Mozambique instead. ;)
 
What I find very scary is that so many people are so eager to give up basic rights to feel safer, when in fact the only people who will be affected by such restrictions are those who are law-abiding to begin with.
The other day on our local news, they interviewed a guy who took a plane home from Texas. He had a multi-tool in his bag and got through security. He decided to experiment and went through security again and got through again. When he landed here, he immediately contacted our local airport security and informed them. He was genuinely upset that they hadn't confiscated his multi-tool.

Now, while at this time added security is important, just watch the news and listen to the people they interview about knives. Knives are now the big boogiemen in this nation. Now if there is any crime involving a blade the attitude has become "Ooooooooooh, it was a KNIFE!!!" Too many people are unthinkingly ready to rid society of any and all bladed tools and anything else even remotely resembling a blade. Of course, nobody ever reports when knives are used in emergencies to free someone's pant leg from an escalator, from a stuck seatbelt, etc., ad nauseum, because I guess we're all supposed to know that knives only kill people.:mad:
Jim
 
'caught this on the morning news on ABC... immediately after my dad saw it he said "So... now you won't be able to carry your knife on a bus..."

I fear he may be correct.
 
....the gub'ment is giving more power to the people that should be powerless....not the humble citizen, but the forceful criminal....the uk was forced to give up that aspect of protection when someone decided to annaliate a school....and as far as i know....thats a perfect example of that quote, "if knives were outlawed only oulaws will have knives"....crime can get pretty rampant once you know your victim has been left defenceless....not to say defence relies soley on guns or blades, but i'd be hard pressed to find someone that can punch a moving bullet....
 
States Grapple With Sale and Possession of Box Cutters as a Tool for Violence
By Seanna Adcox Associated Press Writer
Published: Oct 5, 2001

ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) - It's a simple and versatile tool for everyone from grocery clerks to hobbyists. But in the wrong hands, box cutters can be lethal.
New scrutiny has been leveled on the razor-type gadgets over the past month after allegations that the cheap and readily available tools were used to hijack four airliners and a moving bus.

"Anything like that, you can't control what purpose they're used for," said Rich White of Bridgeford Hardware in Albany, which normally sells a "handful" a week.

On Wednesday, a passenger on a Greyhound bus in Tennessee cut the driver's throat, causing a crash that killed six of the 40 people aboard. The driver told authorities the attacker used a box cutter.

That came a few weeks after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. Passengers who placed cell phone calls from the jets said the hijackers also used box cutters.

Whether they confused box cutters with similar tools like utility or X-Acto knives may never be known. The terms are used interchangeably, even by those who sell them.

A typical box cutter holds the corner of a razor blade in a flat, rectangular metal sheath not much bigger than a stick of gum. The 4-inch device is lightweight, inexpensive and easily accessible.

X-Acto knives, favored by graphic artists, are roughly the size of a pen with a smaller razor-like blade fastened to the end. Utility knives have a bigger handle and replaceable blades stored in the handle.

Before Sept. 11, some of the gadgets could pass through airport metal detectors without raising an eyebrow. The FAA had allowed any knife 4 inches long or less on the plane.

States have long grappled with the use of such tools. Some such as New York, Alabama and Virginia, define them as a "dangerous instrument" or "deadly weapon" if someone uses them in a crime.

The New York City Council unanimously passed a law in 1995 prohibiting stores from selling them to children under 18 and banning them from school grounds.

"We had an abundance of kids using them to cut people in schools, in gang fights," said councilman Al Stabile, who sponsored the bill. "The numbers were staggering."

To give the law more muscle, the city in 1998 increased the age to 21, limited their sale to home improvement and hardware stores and banned them from all public places.

Chicago law prohibits the sale of utility knives to anyone under 18. Possession is limited, though minors can use utility knives at school, work or home under the supervision of an adult.

Police in California say box cutters are commonly used as weapons there, too, while Florida includes razor blades and box cutters in its list of weapons not allowed on school grounds.

So far, the recent attacks have not affected box cutter sales largely because the industry is so specialized, said Roger Stuart, president of Listo Corp. in Alameda, Calif., which exports box cutters to Norway and Sweden.

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On the Net:

NYC Mayor: http://www.nyc.gov

AP-ES-10-05-01 0442EDT


Now I am wondering what we are supposed to use to open up our UPS packages. Perhaps we should head over to the dentice and get the "Jaws" dentures (James Bonds fans will get this one). Then again, I am sure they will be passing a law against that one soon. :rolleyes:
 
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