More condolences -- this time to Japan.

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My most sincere and heartfelt condolences go out to the families who are left with this tremendous loss. I don't know that I am able to put into words what I feel for those kids.
Why? I cannot fathom why. This goes beyond sorrow or anger, this just leaves you empty.
Such senseless acts of violence degrade the spirit of mankind as a whole. Mourning will come, anger too. But for now, there is only the shock of innocent lives that ended far too soon.


Patrick

 
I too was deeply disturbed and disgusted by the news. Now that I have a child of my own, I can come closer to understanding what a horrible loss that is.

On a different note: I hope people wake up to the fact that guns are not the only weapons that sick people use on one another. To focus our defenses solely on guns is more than simply unfair to those of us who use them for protection, it is unfair to those who need to be protected as well. People will find a weapon to do what they want to do. I think demonizing the weapon is not the solution. Sadly I don't offer any worthwhile solutions beyond very tight security. And even then, someone who is mentally ill or totally committed can get through. Presidents of the US have been shot--we need no more proof than that.

I hope I haven't offended anyone by using this awful tragedy to discuss a related issue. If I have, I am truly sorry. It was not my intention at all.

Rob
 
I too am stunned and I share the growing concern for the people involved. I cannot imagine something so brutal as a knife wielding attacker, much less on 6 and 8 year old children. I am truely shaken.

I just heard about this from a friend, and I thought ya'll would have something already out here about it. Another reason I stay with this forum, you guys continue to educate me with your hearts and minds.

 
Can't add anything to what MauiRob and Uncle Bill have said. Guns, etc, don't kill, people do. That's where you have to look, not only for answers, but solutions. Banning anything doesn't work, whether it's weapons or ideas or whatever. Society is made up of people. Society will not change until people do. It's just a shame that so many innocent people, not just in japan, but everywhere, have to suffer to illustrate that point.

Tom
 
I turned on the TV after work to see this story. I was speechless.

According to all the news I've been watching and reading tonight, there's not much this school could have done to avoid this. There is just no way to expect this sort of thing, in a "nice" upscale place like that, and no good way to protect against a madman.

On the other hand, everything seemed wrong with that guy. According to acquaintences, former coworkers and people from his neighborhood, he was violent and mentally unstable. He spat at kids and muttered to himself. He was gloomy and glared at people. He was unable to hold down a job. He'd attempted suicide a number of times. He had a criminal record and beat his wife. He was also arrested for lacing teachers' tea with his own anti-depressant drugs when he worked as a janitor at another elementary school, but not prosecuted BECAUSE he was mentally ill. He was forcibly admitted to a mental institution but released after just a month on a doctor's decision that he was no longer dangerous. He admitted himself to the hospital two or three more times, and was released again. Now police say he wanted to be arrested and executed.

Something should have been done about this guy years ago.

Eric Takabayashi
Fukuyama, Japan
 
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Yes yet another tragedy. There is absolutely no excuse for anyone attacking children, mentally ill or not.

I am seeing more and more in the newspaper and on the evening TV news where more and more people are using a knife for their attacks on other people.
There have been several around our area here in just the last few months.
And usually it is a kitchen knife that's used for the deed.
One teen age boy stabbed and killed another at the Sperry High School, a small town community not too far from us. He used a simple steak knife.

It's my belief that we somehow need to restore the family values that once existed in this country in order to cure these ills that society has today.
The removal of the family value and closeness is what destroyed the ndn culture long ago and it's now destroying the culture that destroyed our way of life.
I can only pray that the madness will stop someday while trying to get the right laws enacted to take care of the problems.
I am very glad that my years are numbered on the downside now.



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Yvsa.

"VEGETARIAN".............
Indin word for lousy hunter.
 
I lived and worked in Japan for two years (1997-99) and it's like a second home to me. This event is incredibly tragic, and my heart goes out to everyone who was affected by it.

I agree that there seems that nothing could be done to prevent the tragedy, and my only prayer is that the survivors are able to gain strength from it rather than start to live in fear. For those events for which we cannot prepare, we have to trust in our beliefs.
 
I found out about this mess last night and I was trully sad and pissed! When I was in Japan just recently, there were two incidents where three young women were killed by some nut. One incident, a freak wearing a stuffed animal hat stabbed a young lady and left her to die. He was caught within a two weeks. The other incident, a wacko met two young women on the internet. They agreed to meet at a secluded spot (very stupid thing to do) and he decided to throw them off a bridge!

The news media there kept playing out the events over and over again. Not once did I see any news articles mention things to do for protection. I am very sad that these things happen everywhere, and so people should fight back! The scumbags would think twice. When WrongFriend and I discussed these things, it was sad that many Japanese believe it can't happen to them, only to others. He mentioned that there are too many Sheeple there. People should take the matters of self defense seriously now. The worlds is becoming a very dangerous place to live now.

I noticed that many of these killings in Japan happen with the normal kitchen knife/ hocho. Imagine if some nut uses a sword! I guess its time to register kitchen knives too over there.


My prayers for them and their families.

[This message has been edited by Broken Arrow (edited 06-10-2001).]
 
I don't know if we can make too many judgments about the teachers. We may not know exactly what happened from the coverage we hear, and as I recall some teachers were hurt. I can imagine a situation where the kids would have nobody to help them get out of the room if the teacher jumped a guy with a knife and got himself dead. There's too much we don't know yet to start questioning someone's courage in a situation like that.

If this guy's diagnosis of schizophrenia is correct he may well not be responsible for what he did. Then again,he may. I have had schizophrenic patients who became irritable and violent because of severe delusions which fade when they're treated. I've also come across patients who were psychopaths before the schizophrenia hit. Sometimes they've been sharp enough to use their symptoms as an excuse, but for the most part you can detect that. Schizophrenics' voices don't usually say things like "Beat that guy over the head so you can steal his money and get some crack." This sort of random, unmotivated attack does sound like something that might come from psychosis, though.

One of the problems with this is that this kind of severe violence is exceedingly rare among people with psychiatric illnesses. You're a lot more likely to be killed by a sane person than someone with schizophrenia. When someone with schizophrenia is violent, though, it's often this sort of bizarre crime and gets a lot of press.

Schizophrenics can do very well when they take their medicine. As a part of the illness, though, they almost never know that they are sick. It's a striking aspect of the disease that someone can be raging delusional and hallucinated and have no idea whatsoever that there's anything wrong with him.

This makes the cries of "Why wasn't this guy locked up before this happened?" tough for those of us in the trenches. When in the hospital, even very sick schizophrenics can regain their self-control and the delusions and hallucinations usually fade out with treatment. They often don't take their medicine when they leave because they don't think they need it. Even if they don't take the medicines, it's next to impossible to predict rare events like this kind of violence. The vast majority of people respond to treatment, and the vast majority of schizophrenics wouldn't hurt a fly. Our best ability to predict this sort of thing happening would be (for example) to say this guy has a 1 in 100,000 chance of doing something like this, as opposed to the 1 in 10,000,000 risk of any other schizophrenic. The question is, do you lock up people who have a 0.001% chance of being violent for the rest of their lives, depriving them of what life they could have with this illness?

There were a lot of victims of this. One of them's going to be in prison or some other institution for the rest of his life. I hope it isn't prison if this was motivated by delusions, which I think it was, but institutionalization probably is the best thing for the poor bastard.

I'd like to believe that this is going to wake people up to how important it is to put together an integrated system of care for people with these sorts of illnesses, instead of the kind of "hospitalize when they're nearly dead or do something bad, throw onto street and pray they show up for the next appointment when they show a glimmer of improvement" system we have in the Land of the Free at the moment. I know it won't, though. We've been here before. He'll be kept in a little room somewhere, and everybody will forget about it till the next time.

Sorry to be getting a little bitter, folks. This involves some people I care very much about, and strikes close to the heart.

I mourn for all the victims of this vile disease, and I'm doing what I can about it.
 
Not to play Devil's Advocate too much, but, while the guy may have been mentatlly ill, there is also a tendency in very structured societies (read: societies with very strict weapons control laws) to come up with some excuse to divert attention away from the fact that the weapons control laws are inadequate. Britain came up with a study that showed that as many as 40% of all their firearms-related crimes were in fact committed with "replica" guns. Now that they are finding out that the guns are in fact real, and illegal, they have to blame "foreign influences (i.e. organized crime) for smuggling them in.

I read somewhere that no Israeli child has been kiled on a school ground in over thirty years, because all the teachers are armed.

It's easy to say "he should ahve been locked up a long time ago," but do we then lock up everyone on suspicion of what they might do? No. But there should have been something in place to keep him from getting as many kids as he did.

Tom
 
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