More Prevarication Debunked

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Considering some forumites' apparent confusion over the "Girding Up" post and the publishing of continuing deceptions & half-truths, I feel that a bit more light on the subject is appropriate.

Knocked-Off Models: I have always sought to produce models that were unique and previously unavailable...The ONLY reason I started offering ONE model with a scrolled buttcap...
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ONE MODEL!!??? AKs, Sirupatis, Gangawalas, and Hanumans were all offered first by HI & have now made it into GH's offerings.

Sticking with knockoffs & misrepresentations, as most know, Cobalt originated the idea of the kamis making a Bowie & designed the first model. The first of HI's AK Bowies arrived in Oct '99. The design evolved further until this past Spring or so when the kamis "got it right". Here's one of Bill's comments about the first models: "The shop 1 effort was too far off so we didn't bother to ship them." GH is now apparently also developing a Bowie. Here's a related comment from GH: "The only thing he (TB) did say was that he wanted the bowie to be a bit thinner than the one they built for HI." This quote clearly tries to convey the impression that the HI design was faulty when, in fact, HI had rejected the piece being discussed. Moving on...

Stolen Pictures: As everybody knows, I borrowed pictures from Bill’s website (when there was no Gurkha House and when there was NO copywrite statement on his website) when my company’s website was being constructed. That the “under construction” website was publically available is regrettable to me, and I apologized to Bill and removed the photo immediately.
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I find it interesting that the Gorkha graphic used on the HI site at http://members.aol.com/khukuriman/index.html , displaying the "Better dead than a coward" motto, is the same that GH is selling on http://www.cystern.com/khukuri/accessories.htm as an iron on decal. New issue...

I was simply defending myself against an untrue comparison. In the content of my response to the comment about direct-line control, I mentioned that I too had “direct-line control of my product” as evinced by the continued improvement in our line of khukuris since day one. Combined with Lalit and TB’s expertise “on the ground” I found the comment made about my supposed lack of control to be a bit pointless and misleading to casual observers.
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Pointless & misleading? Jaeger posted reports from the field on both HI & GH forums concerning his use of khukuris to dress out deer. Here's an excerpt concerning his HI AK: "Hacking through all that heavy bone left my AK unfazed. It did dull the edge some but it was still chopping sharp. No chipping, no impaction, no nothin' but severed body parts. I have many khuks but my 1st, my Shop 1 15" Ang Kohla is still my favorite. It just refuses to be damaged." Now, here's what he had to say about his WWIII: "Damage was in the form of a rolled edge in 5 places along the belly of the blade. All the damage occurred when chopping through the lower leg bones." And later, "To be honest with you I'm not sure what I'm going to do with the WWIII. It's going to have to be reground. The damage is pretty nasty. This has been a definite confidence shaker." And later still, "Anyone want to buy a WWIII?"

I'm certain that I could find additional examples of prevarication but I think I have made my point. FYI, I was tempted a while back to order a GH khukuri stand but I held off. I didn't know why but, without giving it much thought, something just didn't feel right about it. Now I think I know why I hesitated. I won't do business with a person I can't respect.


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Cheers,
Brian

He who finishes with the most toys wins.

[This message has been edited by bcaffrey (edited 11-03-2000).]
 
I was going to bring up the WWIII problems since it was so proudly touted as an example of quality and personal sacrifice. but you beat me to it. If I had to wait over a year for a $300 knife and the pine was bad I'd be livid.
 
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And Brian neither will I!!!
I have to admit that I was tempted once as well as the below quote shows.
And since that time long ago I made the decision to NOT buy Anything from GH especially with the experiences others like GONESAILING (Jim) had with Mr.Gottlieb.
Nothing has changed there and never will except the amount of "knock off" khukuris.

I may not ever buy a Kuhkuri from you or anything else.
I do know I won't buy anything from you as long as I see these kinds of references.

I hope I am correct in thinking that you aren't aware of what you have been doing by saying such things.
The whole world reads these forums as you know.
I don't believe you would want to lose potential customers if you could help it.

I would liked to have had one of the mini-jungles at the introductory price.I have to admit I was tempted,but I just couldn't and wouldn't betray my personal beliefs.
Many things I buy for personal use that isn't "Blessed" by Ceremony is Blessed by either me or a Elder in a different Ceremony before it is used.
Like I say,"I take these things seriously."
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All of the evidence is there for reading for those who will use the search feature or the post All Topics both here and in knifeforums.

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This will be my only post on this subject. I am only making it because my name has been referenced.

I am very disappointed that the WWIII incurred the damage that it did when performing what should have been an easy chore. I was equally disappointed when my new Birgorkha BAS broke in half at the tang.

Uncle Bill went above and beyond to rectify the problem and to see that I was satisfied. He offered to GIVE me any knife in his inventory. I took the Mega Salyan and paid for the difference in price. Bill's integrity is above reproach.

Craig has always treated me fairly and respectfully in the past. When I expressed interest in a Cheetlang but said that it was not yet in the budget he sent it to me anyway. No bill, no time limit, no reminders. Merely a gentleman's agreement. I have notified Craig of the steps that I would like to be taken to rectify this situation. I fully expect to get satisfaction. He has given me no reason to think otherwise.

I have been on this forum for a while now but I have not really paid much attention to this feud. I pray that this can be resolved. I enjoy coming here. This place attracts the best people and I can feed my khukuri addiction with the finest khuks in the world!

That is all I have to say.

[This message has been edited by Jaeger (edited 11-03-2000).]
 
Well, Here is my straight view of it. Even though I don't post a lot, I have been around this forum for a few years- Bill will attest. I had another Username at one time.

I have never used a GH khukuri. I can't give any opinion of the quality, or compare them to anything- as I don't have experience with them.

What I have watched, since early on, is the business practices. I believe an initial screw-up like using the pic can be forgiven. Someone not familiar w/ the net might make a mistake like that. It is a big virtual world and you don't always realize that people are more aware than you think- particularly in a small niche market like khukuries.

What I have been skeptical on is the fact that it seems that whatever Dhaju (Uncle Bill) has done, it has been copied. First the webpage. Then, a spot on the forums, then the "knock-offs" that have been discussed. I really haven't been trying to pay much attention to it- I do have a lot more things to concentrate on that this. The last thing that really struck in my mind is that after Dhaju came back from the last Nepal visit- GH was planning a Nepali trip.
I think Dhaju should put a pic of himself in Batman pajamas on the HI webpage and see if someone else starts doing it too.

So- I can say that I don't know the GH owner. I cannot really say anything with real pure certainty because I don't know him personally or his products. I can and will say that I am not comfortable doing business with him from what I have seen, as an ethics issue.

I have done business with Dhaju, and I do know him to have a sterling reputation among several networks of old warriors. I like him. I would stand by him without hesitation and I will vouch for his products anyday.

Now- I want to say something in this as a Peacekeeper. I believe that all the issues have been addressed in these posts. It is pretty cut and dry and whoever is going to make any judgements about all of this has probably already made them. Let it rest. The truth will take care of itself at this point.

After a few nights sleep- things will be put in a better perspective. And the Buddha nature, Christ conscious, Ancient way or however you want your seasonings will become strong within again- and we can go back to having a more peaceful forum.

That is all I have to say.
 
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