More words on the Edge Pro Apex

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I know a couple of reviews have already been written on the Edge Pro sharpening rig, but hey, when you're thinking about dropping $150+, you want to hear as much as you can up front, right?

I ordered the Apex from Ben Dale, with the stone upgrade and a smooth ceramic steel (for maintaining the edges longer without having to grind metal). The total came to around $175.

The Apex is very well constructed, and comes in an nice nylon carrying bag. Everything stows away neatly, and is quick to assemble. I found the documentation excellent, and was able to start sharpening within about fifteen minutes.

The first knife I tackled was my large Opinel. Then two kitchen knives, a hunting knife, and a chef's knife. After the first two knives I started to get the hang of things, and found that I could sharpen already-profiled blades very quickly, without hurrying or using much force. Just a few strokes on each grit, feeling for the burr, up to the polishing tape.

With the 100 grit coarse stones reprofiling edges is a *breeze*. I never knew it could be this easy. Several of the knives I sharpened needed totally new angles, because they'd come from the factory with mismatched bevels. The maximum time it took for any knife was one hour. This include about 50 strokes per side with the coarse stone, and 10-15 strokes per side with every other stone. Most of the time was consumed in examining the edge under magnification to make sure the bevel was being ground evenly along the whole edge.

The bevels on the hunting knife in particular (the last knife I sharpened) ended up just about perfect. Equally wide along the whole blade, identical angles on both sides (18 degrees), with a mirror finish I could see myself in. I used a magnifier and watched the burr disappear under the 3000 grit polishing tape. Man, that edge is keen now!

The system is slightly messy -- it tends to drip water and slurry -- but not overly so. My suction cups also showed a tendency to come unstuck, but by wiping a damp cloth on the cups, they stuck for at least 15 minutes. This was plenty of time, since it's easy to push them back down while sharpening. I imagine if I had better countertops (mine are really cheesy), they would stick far longer. I also like the thoughtfulness of the little water bottle that comes with the system, as I found myself rewetting the stones quite often (it is <em>extremely</em> dry in Arizona in the winter).

My overall impression is that for $175 you get a system that makes re-profiling edges very easy, and achieving consistent, perfect edges simple. Once you grind the edge you want on a blade, keeping it sharp should take just ten or fifteen minutes, cleanup time included. If you choose to order the ceramic steel, you can even lengthen the time between sharpenings. The edges you end up with have no micro-burrs, no deformations, no waviness at all. With the Sharpmaker, I found such consistency difficult to achieve by hand.

In summary, I think this system is worth getting if you want something that works well, and will handle most of your at-home knife sharpening needs. It may seem expensive, but when you add up the cost of a couple of new stones, a strop, a steel, etc., the difference isn't as big as you might think.
 
Ben also includes a small bag of fine sand that you can use to flatten the stones which is a nice detail. The only thing I would add to the above is that my experience is pretty much the same. I would note though that if you want to do a lot of re-edging then order another x-coarse hone from the start, as you will wear it down much faster than the others since it does the vast majority of the work.

-Cliff
 
Very nice review JohnW. I bought an Apex as a gift to myself.. two years ago now. Wow, I can't believe it's been that long. Anyway, I did a review myself a while ago, but it's probably archived now. I agree that the cost is pretty similar to what you would pay to put together a good kit of hand sharpening tools. That was how I persuaded myself to shell out that much cash, when I realized that how close the costs really were. The only problem I've had with mine is that I've worn out my coarse stone, and the medium one is on it's way. That's the price you pay for how fast they cut, well worth it in my opinion. Ben has excellent customer service too, I had the plastic sleeve on my steel break and he replaced it for me very quickly, no charge. He was also very helpful when I was starting out with the system. I called him for some tips and he's very friendly and helpful on the phone. (Note: I'm not an employee of Edge Pro, just a really big fan :D ) Glad to hear you like your new system. Watch out though; soon you may be sharpening your whole neighborhood's knives once they see how sharp yours are!
 
John W ..how does the Apex handle very small pen blades..like the Swiss army type knives?
 
Originally posted by budman
John W ..how does the Apex handle very small pen blades..like the Swiss army type knives?
You'll find that length doesn't really matter, as much as curvature. Really curvy blades require some adjusting during sharpening, in order to get the bevel even all the way along the blade. You should be able to sharpen the short, relatively straign blades of an SAK, very easily.
 
John W, thank you for the very informative review. As a consumer, I like to hear it from fellow consumers. I have thought about buying the Apex model as well, and if you start to add up the cost of several different stones, you are basically at the price you paid for the Apex. It makes a lot more sense to me now, so I guess that I will need to give it to myself as a gift as well. Thanks again.
 
Dan,

Be carefull about getting an Apex. Once you get used to your
blades haveing a mirror polished edge, it may be difficult to
go back to other sharpeners. :)

The mirror polish is easy to do on the EdgePro if you use the
ultra fine stone and especially the polish tapes. I was even
able to get a nice finish on my Kershaw Avalanch, which in CPM440V
is supposed to have "large carbide grains" and is difficult to
get shiny. I'm still not able to get as good a shaving edge
on that 440V as on other steels. Yes, it shaves, but the hairs
wait until the knife is in the vicinity before they go running. I guess the carbide grains are too large to cut arm hair.
 
Gearfreak, if I get one, of course I will still use my other sharpening methods;) Seriously, it is between the EdgePro Apex, and a Razor Edge systems set. I think this helped me decide.
 
Keep in mind, if you're thinking about getting on Apex, that Ben offers a "total return policy" (his own words). You can return the system at any time if it's not exactly what you want.

I was talking with Ben on the phone today (a conversation that taught me a few new tips on improving my use of the Apex), and he said he only gets one or two returns a year.

So go ahead, you really can't lose. You can even mail in a knife to a Ben, and he'll put an Edge Pro edge on it for free and send it back to you.
 
You know, the EdgePro is straightforward to use for most
things, but it is also a nice platform for playing around
with new ideas. Anybody know of a discussion group for this?
 
Once again, thanks for the info. I am definitely getting one. Ben should definitely know that this was an easy sale.
 
Gearfreak,
I was even able to get a nice finish on my Kershaw Avalanch, which in CPM440V is supposed to have "large carbide grains" and is difficult to get shiny. I'm still not able to get as good a shaving edge on that 440V as on other steels. Yes, it shaves, but the hairs wait until the knife is in the vicinity before they go running. I guess the carbide grains are too large to cut arm hair.

CPM 440V have very uniform structure with extremely small and evenly placed carbide grains. This is the main reason why being mirror polished this edge cuts not as aggressively as, for ex. ATS-34.

Try to finish it at diamond sharpening surface with appr. 600 grit (for ex. DMT fine - red – one) and it will cut much more aggressively, also will grab and shave arm hair much better.
 
I stand corrected on the carbide grain size. Thanks
Serg for the info. Funny how easy it is to come
to the wrong conclusion with just a little information.

440V, with over 2% carbon, is above the limit of what
is considered to be steel. I wonder if somebody
has thought of a new name for such materals produced
by powder metarlurgy?
 
What everyone else said and Ben can instantly clear up any questions that may come up initially or along the way. Creates about the sharpest, cleanest edge possible.
 
Originally posted by gearfreak
440V, with over 2% carbon, is above the limit of what is considered to be steel. I wonder if somebody has thought of a new name for such materals produced by powder metarlurgy?
Unless I am wrong on this (not being a metallurgist), powder metallurgy simply produces a richer carbide network in a steel matrix. So, it's still steel. The base metallic solution of carbon and iron is still the same, with the same properties. It wouldn't count as a new alloy, any more than mixing sand in wax would change the chemical nature of the wax.
 
The carbon limit is there as above that are cast irons, however the high alloy CPM steels are in every way steels, that defination of steel is just out dated.

-Cliff
 
I just placed an order with Ben for the Apex + stone upgrade kit. Ben asked if I had a ceramic steel, and when he found out that I have a Sharpmaker, told me how to use it to prolong the edge between sharpenings. Great guy!

If I can get this system to work for me, I'll finally be able to use my knives with reckless abandon and not worry about having to resharpen! :)

I hope I'll be able to post in here on Saturday with the results...

Matthew
 
I have the Edge pro model and really do like it. It is very fast and puts an exact bevel on each side, which I really like. I can sharpen feehand with stones, however, it is very slow, compared to the Edge Pro.
Some say it is too expensive, however, I think that it is worth every penny if you like precision knife edges and you like to sharpen a blade quickly. BTW, I've probably had mine for over two years.
 
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