Most Misunderstood or unfairly maligned blade style?

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This morning, I was performing another mini-competition between my knives, the tests?, scoring a cardboard box to remove shipping labels, and cutting open-celled foam, and it got me to thinking....

I'm a hawkbill fanatic, for the cutting chores I do (mainly cutting open packages, breaking down boxes, and scoring boxes to remove old shipping labels so I can re-use the box), the Hawkbill reigns supreme, the downturned point gives unheard of point control, with my hand in a comfortably neutral position and holding the knife in a standard hammer grip, I can control the depth of the cut simply by how much backpressure i put on the heel of the scales....

Give me a Harpy or Dodo, and I can score a box so the label only removes the topmost layer of paper, I can cut one piece of paper and not disturb the paper underneath, and opening clampacks?, HA! don't make me laugh, a Hawkbill *excels* at that

If I have to use a "conventional" blade to score a box for label removal, I have to angle my arm to a very uncomfortable angle, and have almost *no* control over the depth of the cut, with a standard blade, it usually takes off 2-3 layers of paper off the box, sometimes down to the corrugations themselves

needless to say, I'm never without *some* hawkbill on me, usually a Cricket, Harpy, or Dodo

the sad thing is, the Hawkbill seems to have an unfairly tarnished reputation, it's seen as a "scary" blade style, not just by the sheeple (but then again, what *aren't* sheeple scared of? ;) ), but even by other knife users, I've seen situations where someone's using their 4" "tactical" folder, or even a Buck 110, and I pull out either my SE Dodo or SE SS Harpy, knives with *much* shorter blades, and the other person almost immediately remarks on how "scary" the knife looks, and how "you could really hurt someone with it" (all the while while holding their knife which has a *much* longer blade...go figure...)

I think part of it has to do with the "horror movie" factor, curved blades are much loved by the garden-variety maniacal slasher, the Hawkbill is also the preferred blade of the well-spoken sociopath Doctor Hannibal Lecter (no, not *our* Hannibal, the *movie* Hannibal) heck, even Freddy Krueger's razor glove has curved "Hawkbill-esque" razors, I guess the hollywood convention is curved blade=scary

I nominate the Hawkbill as one of, if not *THE* most misunderstood *and* unfairly maligned blade styles out there

In an effort to combat the perception of "curved blade=scary/bad", my standard response when presented with this foolish and laughable argument is to point out the Hawkbill's *good* points...

It's unbeatable as a box opener or in any situation where you need fine point control
It's almost impossible for what you're cutting (rope, for example) to slip off the blade
When opening clampacks (by cutting away from yourself), the tip is pointing *away* from you, adding an extra margin of safety
It's even *safer* than a Rescue style knife (sheepfoot blade) for cutting seatbelts, as the point is pointing *away* from the victim, and the curve of the blade makes it impossible for the seat belt to slip off the blade

and for those people who *insist* that a hawkbill is an evil knife that "you could really hurt someone with", I point out that in a defensive situation, after you've exhausted *all* other possibilities and are forced to rely on your blade for self defense, it's (almost) *impossible* to use a hawkbill to *stab* someone, it's designed to make pulling cuts or slashes, a pure defense strategy, giving you time to get away from your attacker, who will be injured, but still alive

I've found that the best way to get people to recognize the pure utility of a Hawkbill, is simply to let them *use* it, once they have it in hand and experience the point control and precision of a hawkbill, it's suddenly no longer a "scary knife", it's become a useful *tool*

so, what blade styles do you see as misunderstood or unfairly maligned?
 
Serrated blades - the Spyderco endura scare.
Wide tactical blades, which look much bigger than a thinner slipjoint inch for inch.
Any sheath knife - my commie killer Buck crosslock deer hunting knife scared one of my coworkers because of the sheath.
 
I agree with you that it's unfair and ignorant to "fear" a knife like yours because of HollyWood imagery. Clearly, you're using the TOOL that best suits your chores and it sounds like you've gotten your money's worth from your knife :) To be honest, the blade I use most often by far is a plain old Stanley utility knife, because at work it comes in contact with all manner of stubborn materials like cardboard, and it's just easier to change out the cheap blades than it would be to hone a knice pocket knife every couple days. Plus, LEO's and civilians alike think nothing of seeing a blue collar guy with a utility knife in his back pocket. Its inch or so of blade would be a very poor weapon.

However, a hawkbill design could be VERY effective as a weapon. You're probably right that you could barely stab with it. But that curved design, if used to slash at someone.... yikes!

The other night I was bored and decided to "recycle" a big cardboard box. Slashed the hell out of one side with my modified Ka-Bar in the usual fashion. Good clean fun.

Then, just for giggles, I turned both the box and the knife around. Holding the blade "upside down" in my hand so the sharpened clip hit the box first, instead of the belly of the blade, I was AMAZED at the difference. It almost felt like the concave clip was actually pulling the knife into and through the cardboard. Much longer and faster cuts with the same effort. (I tried this after reading an article about using the back-cut with a bowie-style knife)

Yes, I know, I was only cutting cardboard. But I think it's a valid illustration of how well a concave edge can slice.

MacTech said:
I've found that the best way to get people to recognize the pure utility of a Hawkbill, is simply to let them *use* it, once they have it in hand and experience the point control and precision of a hawkbill, it's suddenly no longer a "scary knife", it's become a useful *tool*

That, sir, is the wisest comment I've read here in a while. I hope I didn't discourage you by pointing out that your tool could be very scary indeed if you used it offensively. After all, I would really hate to get smacked with a framing hammer...
 
I read the title of the thread and thought of "hawkbill".

I don't think it's too unreasonable for the hawkbill to evoke odd reactions. On first glance, it looks impractical. So much so, that one wielded in offensive mode must be assumed to really mean business!

But I agree that it's much more practical than it might appear. I have this cheap little chinese hawkbill auto that's extremely practical. I like it in place of a boxcutter (which can also be extremely practical). I have a couple other folding hawkbills that get use, too. No black "tacticals", however.

With all the talk by knife nuts about "sheeple", I can't recall ever getting a negative reaction from anyone here in the big city in CA. That includes the little auto and a larger Barlow hawkbill, both of which get carried occasionally. Then again, I don't really parade my knives around. If someone had a negative reaction, they saved it for when I couldn't see.
 
To a degree, SAK blades are misunderstood. So many people look at their size and thickness and think they are toys. Just wait until you whittle with em, or see how easily they glide through cardboard. :)
 
I'd have to agree that hawkbill esque are misunderstood. I use my dodo all the time and it's one of the most practical blades I've got.
 
The kris. Most people can't even agree on how to say or spell it.
 
I love Wharncliffe/sheepsfoot type blades myself. The straight edge does a lot of cutting jobs with better control than a curved blade- especially whittling, which I do a lot. I don't know why they aren't more popular.
 
While I'm sure the Hawkbill does the job thoroughly, I think you might suprise yourself by using a Wharnecliffe. I find the Wharnie just rips through everthing, allowing the same point control you value with the Hawk, but providing you also with a better ability for thrusting if you wish to do so.
 
My old Spyderco SE Harpy use to freak people out. It was a great as a tool, but people have this weird reaction to a SE Hawkbill and get this "OMG that would Hurt!" look on their face.
 
I'd have to say the "recurve" style, I really dig 'em and just assume it's because those new to sharpening might find them a bit hard/tedious to get
that hair poppin' sharp edge. Just my 2 cents.

Doug :)
 
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