Most Private Gun Possession Banned

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Why did Sen. Feinstein support this law at the Judiciary Committee hearings today?

MOST PRIVATE GUN POSSESSION BANNED--

Gun-Free School Zones Impact Greater Than Expected

New maps disclose unexpected result of 1,000-foot bans
Federal law makes it a crime to possess a firearm off your property and within 1,000 feet of a school, with a few narrow exceptions. When all gun-free zones were recently plotted for schools in two major cities (Phoenix and Cleveland), using computer mapping, it became apparent that virtually all public travel with firearms is now a violation of law.

The study was included as part of a ten-year review of all federal gun law by gunlaws.com, for the Tenth Anniversary edition of Gun Laws of America, the unabridged guide to federal gun law. Published by Phoenix-based Bloomfield Press, it has just been released.

Without realizing it, and by an unexpected route, anti-gun-rights advocates have achieved their primary goal -- gun possession is effectively banned by federal law. A five-year federal prison sentence attaches to every crossing into a school zone, and the zones overlap virtually citywide. The public commits countless millions of gun violations by simply moving around. No effect on crime has been reported.

Members of Congress and even the NRA are on record calling for strict enforcement of current federal gun laws. How that policy and the school zones measure can co-exist is not clear. Additional maps and the dataset are posted at gunlaws.com

"This near-total gun ban is simply unenforceable, and was never intended to criminalize everyone who bears arms," said Alan Korwin, author of Gun Laws of America. "We would have to place half the public in prison to comply with this law. It shows the folly of such legislation, perhaps the most ineffectual feel-good gun law ever enacted, and it needs to be repealed," he said, adding that it must be humiliating to the bill's original sponsors. "Where would Justice Roberts stand on this issue, and what was Sen. Feinstein really asking?" Many politicians are quietly aware of the ban.

The simple act of buying a gun and bringing it home, taking one to the range, going hunting, or carrying one for personal safety would subject most people to arrest and a permanent criminal record under this law, originally enacted by President Bush's father, President Bush, in 1990.

The Gun-Free School Zones law was struck down in 1995 by the U.S. Supreme Court, in the now-famous Lopez case, referred to today by Sen. Feinstein, a staunch anti-gun-rights advocate.

For the first time in decades the Court ruled that Congress had overstepped its powers to regulate states under the Commerce Clause. There were more than 121,000 local schools at the time. Congress responded by swiftly reenacting the entire law, under President Clinton in 1996, with a few small changes it believed bypassed the Court's concerns. No new case has been brought to test the new version, so it stands.

iBear
 
If I was arrested for all the times I've taken the high school road on the way to the gun range and back I'd be a lifer. :thumbdn: There's also a gun dealer in town who is only several blocks from the high school. Yeah, they need to throw the book at him and anyone who's ever bought or sold a gun there (more time for me). :rolleyes:

Bob
 
News to me. Stupid law. The late, departed, unlamented zit from Wisconsin introduced the amendments in 1996 to bring this monster back to life after the Supremes shot down the prior version.

Reduced impact in Ohio since: 1) it has been unlawful to carry a loaded firearm in a motor vehicle on any public street or highway for decades (new exception for openly carried concealable weapons by CCW permit-holder); 2) the Act has a specific exception for unloaded firearm in a locked container or rack. Soooooooooo, you need a lockable container or rack.

Also exception for CCW permit holders -- at least in their home state.

Interesting exception for carrying unloaded across school with school's OK to get to hunting land.



Any arrests since 1996?

Any convictions?

I can't find a citation of the Act in a reported federal case at any level of the fed. court system , but they don't all get reported.

My local PD didn't know what I was talking about when I called to ask.
 
I was on the road this week to and from Herndon, Virginia... It seemed like you couldn't leave one block without running into a school on the next... It's not just cities, all the schools outside the cities are built on main thoroughfares and a lot of times in rural areas, that's all there are...
 
While many of our elected representatives are lawyers and almost all hold some sort of college degree, there is a reason why there is no intelligence test requirement for the position.

Pharmacies can tell you which of your medications may conflict with others and under what circumstances and with what probable effect. We need a computer of the same sort to validate legislation the same way.

The Supreme Court was supposed to do this, but ...
 
As I recall the "gun free school zones act" was shot down in the mid 90's as
an unlawful use of the interstates commerce clause. Not being bashful it was
then reauthorized in '96 with the words "having affected interstate commerce
and repassed on the tag end of a DoD spending bill.

Now congress cannot pass laws designed to defeat Scotus precedent but
that hasn't stopped them from trying.
 
Big Bob said:
If I was arrested for all the times I've taken the high school road on the way to the gun range and back I'd be a lifer. :thumbdn: There's also a gun dealer in town who is only several blocks from the high school. Yeah, they need to throw the book at him and anyone who's ever bought or sold a gun there (more time for me). :rolleyes:

Bob
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It certainly does seem like a silly law! Hard to believe what they will do to take our guns!

iBear
 
Thomas Linton said:
News to me. Stupid law. The late, departed, unlamented zit from Wisconsin introduced the amendments in 1996 to bring this monster back to life after the Supremes shot down the prior version.

Reduced impact in Ohio since: 1) it has been unlawful to carry a loaded firearm in a motor vehicle on any public street or highway for decades (new exception for openly carried concealable weapons by CCW permit-holder); 2) the Act has a specific exception for unloaded firearm in a locked container or rack. Soooooooooo, you need a lockable container or rack.

Also exception for CCW permit holders -- at least in their home state.

Interesting exception for carrying unloaded across school with school's OK to get to hunting land. Any arrests since 1996? Any convictions?

I can't find a citation of the Act in a reported federal case at any level of the fed. court system , but they don't all get reported.

My local PD didn't know what I was talking about when I called to ask.
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To my knowledge, no arrests, no charges filed and no convictions. Somehow they don't seem to understand.... that they can never legislate security, no matter the excuse, provocation or entitlement. After many attempts to explain common sense to her, I have concluded that Dianne Feinstein is not interested in people's safety. She has some other larger agenda. No, I do not know what it is. :barf: :barf: :barf:

Someone here may have some ideas of her motivation. I have no clue!

But common sense does not stop Dianne Feinstein from pursuing this insanity, even though by her own admission.... a gun is her only effective method of self defense that she has available today.

iBear
 
SASSAS said:
I was on the road this week to and from Herndon, Virginia... It seemed like you couldn't leave one block without running into a school on the next... It's not just cities, all the schools outside the cities are built on main thoroughfares and a lot of times in rural areas, that's all there are...
Everywhere ya go, there ya are... and there is a school. Seems like that was Dianne Feinsteins intention... huh?

Everywhere ya go... another school.... ooooops broke that law twenty times in one day.... OH WELL, off to prison I guess!

Thanks,

iBear
 
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