Mouse...Mousetrap...Wife...& Jogging!?!?

[Raptor]

Hi there to all you "Crazy Spydie Fans".

This is my first "Spydie Forum" post and I need to ask a question.

My wife is interested in purchasing her second knife. She's looking at the Wegner Mouse and she also likes the look of Mike Sastre's Neck Sheath. I've researched the forums for info on both of these items & I can only find positive feedback in all cases. This is a good thing!!!!

I know that I really like the look of the Mouse & if she gets one I will be able to play with it & possibly pick one up for myself. Another good thing!!!

Now here's our concerns:
She is planning on using the neck sheath while walking/jogging and we are both concerned as to a couple of issues.

First: Is the knife secure enough in the sheath for jogging?? I would think so myself but I just have to ask anyway.

Second: Do any of you have wives or girlfriends that use a similar neck sheath systems?? Do they have any tricks as to how to secure the knife from bouncing around while jogging?? We were thinking that maybe you could secure the chain under the bra while still leaving sheath & knife exposed??

Third: How about the sweat factor on these knives & sheaths?? Tuf-Cloth for the knife but what about the sheath?? I think it will be OK but like I said before, "I just have to ask".

Fourth: Now this one is slightly unrelated to jogging, but, does the sheath scratch the knife at all?? I know many Kydex/Concealex sheaths do scratch knives. It's not a deal breaker. I'm just curious.

Well, I know that these may be some strange questions but I couldn't think of a better place to ask them.

--The Raptor--



[This message has been edited by Raptor (edited 06-15-2001).]

 

[Brian Lavin]

You won't be sorry if you get one of Mike's sheaths, they are very functional. I have three and all work ad advertised; hold the knife till YOU withdraw it. One of mine is for a Military and it holds it very securely, took mine mtn biking, zip-tied to my Camelbak strap-no problem.
As far as the bouncing, I'm not sure what to tell you there! I wouldn't worry about hiding it though, the mouse in this mode of carry should not look very threatening.
Of course, as usual, YMMV.

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[Paul Davidson]

Mike's sheaths are very secure. If you order it from him directly then he can probably adjust the tension for the task at hand. Mike has told me that he designed his first neck sheath for his wife actually. As far as scratches go, it's the stuff that gets inside a concealex sheath that causes the scratches. Supposedly you should be able to keep it from getting scratched by keeping the sheath clean, but in my experience this is next to impossible to do. If a knife is a user, it's gonna get scratched up anyway.

I will say this about the Mouse. I love the design a lot, but unless your wife is very petite I would think about another knife if possible self defense is a role you have in mind for this folder. It is a very small knife. If it were me I would get her the Mouse and think about a Merlin/Harpy or Delica for the jogging knife. Just my $.02. I remember a story being posted here a while back about a woman that fought off a mugger with a Ladybug, so a small knife can do it, but I would worry about retention issues of such a small handle during a altercation.

Paul

 

[samo]

Think you made a good choice by having the Wegner Mouse and Mike's mouse trap!

Sam

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[Safety Guy]

Interesting problem, Raptor. I'd have to agree with Paul on the knife size if it is for S-D use. A Delica or Calypso Jr. would be my lower size limit. Lightweight FRNs are made for this application, IMO.

It seems to me that unless she really likes a neck sheath and doesn't mind running with it (before you spring for the sheath, have her try running with a 2 or 3 oz. pendant or something of similar weight around her neck), waistband carry would be more appropriate. That's where I carry my folder when I run, either clipped to waistband or pocket.

Also, she might get away with clipping said knife to her sportsbra. Depending on its construction, she could clip it onto the neck area, or upwards into the bottom band. (Chafing and comfort might be an issue.)

Adjusting a neck sheath's chain to hang the sheath just below the bratop's bottom band might work too. Actually, having the sheath covered by the bottom band with the knife sticking down for access might also work to reduce "bounce." Of the knife, anyway.

All-plastic clips seem to abrade clothing less than metal clips, so if she is picky about her workout clothes, she might take that into consideration. Finally, if there are questions of concealment, a crop top or t-shirt would solve that problem.

Hey, if I weren't a security guard, I'd be a women's tactical fashion consultant!

Arming women all the time,

Karl

 

[bquinlan]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Raptor:
First: Is the knife secure enough in the sheath for jogging??</font>

I can say yes to that with some confidance. Mike's neck rigs hold tighter than his belt sheathes to insure retension until you pull the knife free. Despite that, you can combine the draw with the "Spyderco drop" for a lightning-fast draw and open combined into a single move.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Second: Do any of you have wives or girlfriends that use a similar neck sheath systems?? Do they have any tricks as to how to secure the knife from bouncing around while jogging??</font>

My wife wears exactly the same setup you described: Mouse and Mousetrap. She hasn't found it necessary to tie the thing down, but I think it would depend a lot on the style of shirt and bra worn.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Third: How about the sweat factor on these knives & sheaths??</font>

The sheath is impervious to sweat. The Mouse itself seems to handle it just fine with no more than the occasional wipe-down with a Tuf-Cloth.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Fourth: Now this one is slightly unrelated to jogging, but, does the sheath scratch the knife at all??</font>

Not that I've noticed.

--Bob Q

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[Raptor]

Hi guys,
Thanks for all the responses so far. You offered us some excellant ideas/perspectives regarding this knife & carry system.

The size of the knife handle, for security purpose, hadn't been cosidered by us. That is definately a factor that we will have to think about. It's just that the Mouse is sooooo perfect for it's EDC role that we were hoping that it could pull double duty. As I said before though, we will have to consider this. She will also carry the ASP baton pepperspray as well.

originally quoted by SafetyGuy:
Hey, if I weren't a security guard, I'd be a women's tactical fashion consultant! LOL

.....I just had to comment!!!

bquinlan,
Your wife's situation hit the mark perfect. Thanks for the review.

--The Raptor--



[This message has been edited by Raptor (edited 06-16-2001).]

 

[steve22595]

Raptor,

IMHO, a Delica is the perfect "workout" knife for men or women. My girlfriend loves her pink one. The bonus is that you can get the Delica drone for training.

The Delica is an all-time cutlery classic!

Mike Sastre's neck sheaths are well done. You can get them for the Delica as well, but being so light, it clips well to your shorts as-is.

My $0.02

Steve

 

[Raptor]

Thanks Steve. I will mention the Delica suggestion to my wife for her workouts.

I did go ahead anyway today and ordered a Mouse & Mousetrap from Larry @ BladeArt.
I figured that even if it's not the best workout knife it will be a very good EDC for her. Plus, we all know that you can't ever have too many knives.......right??

--The Raptor--

 

[Paul Davidson]

Raptor,
The Mouse is a great knife, and would certainly be better than nothing for defense. If she is carrying pepperspray/kubaton then the Mouse might be good enough as a back up. I certainly think the Mouse would be very sheeple friendly.

Paul

 

[Sal Glesser]

Hi Raptor. Welcome to the Spyderco forum.

sal

 

[bquinlan]

I know this is the wrong forum to say this...

...but for defensive purposes my favorite neck knife is Emerson's La Griffe. It's a lot thinner than any folder and you can't beat the positive grip it gives you. However, I would not recommend the La Griffe as a utility knife because of the blade shape and the chisel grind.

The Mouse is an amazing utility blade but on the small side for defense. Nevertheless, I think it would do the job for someone with small to medium size hands.

I like the Delica a lot, but it would not be my first choice as a move up from the Mouse. I'd be more likely to go with the large Wegner. It has a lot in common with the Mouse but with a much longer blade and handle.

For what it's worth... I personally prefer a relatively long and thick blade for defensive carry. My favorites are the large CRK Sebenza, the Emerson Commander, and the Kershaw Boa. I would avoid the Commander for utility use because of its "military" appearance and chisel ground blade. The other two are excellent in both categories, although I lean toward the Sebenza for utility and the Boa for defense.

--Bob Q

 

[Safety Guy]

I also am a LaGriffe fan--I have one on the way. (I already have a Bear Claw safetytip, so I know how secure that type of knife is.) The LaGriffe or the sharp point Bear Claw would be good defense knives but they are a bit "dedicated" to a certain use.

I think the FRN small Spydies are a good compromise between utility and "emergency" knives. Plus, being folders, they are probably legal in more areas and look more acceptable to "sheeple."

I've also thought about the Gerber Chameleon for the same type of grip as the first two above, but I don't think it opens as quickly. I'll try all three sizes as the opportunity arises.

FWIW, I think the Endura is perhaps the best all around lockblade available!

For pure self-defense I would be inclined to agree with Bob about the neck knife. Although I have a Woo too (WOOTOO!!

) and the grip is pretty good on it, the Perrin design is practically perfect for comfy carry and ultra-high retention close combat.

Karl

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[Bugs3x]

I handled a Mouse last week at the Tacoma Knife show. Was surprised how good it felt in the hand. Knowing that the designer used one to field dress 2 elk -- I think it was elk -- with one, convinces me that if some cutting needed to be done, the Mouse would cut.

If the Mouse proves to be too solid/heavy for it's length, I'd sure recommend the FRN Native/Calypso Jr/Dragonfly/Delica for a waistband clip for jogging. Extremely light, and very capable blades. Course, the Mouse has a clip, doesn't it?

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