Mr. Jim Frost

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Hi All,

I just watched about 1 hour of a continual infomercial selling knives. It was kind of amazing.

I think I've found a possibly shared cause among a very large percentage of the readers here. I think many of you could agree that, at least to people who seem interested, it's incumbent to preach knives. To tell it on the mountain. My son started using dull, metal knives since about 6 months ago at the age of 3.5 and he now greatly enjoys cutting safely with sharp knives - the HideAway Claw actually sees and looks very much safer than most other knives - they seem much less likely to drop it and much easier to control and predict blade movement. Someone should train a chimp to use one. Just not in my house. (He turned 4 yesterday my son, not the chimp - pirate party tomorrow [just bought my first sword after a bit of research and got a reasonably inexpensive functional swept hilt high carbon, tempered rapier]).

Anyway, if you don't get the program, here's the website:

cutlerycorner.net

Some quotes from the show:

"for serious collectors", "designed to meet everyone's need in one way or another", "that gets you this set for a total price of 1.37 per knives". "Swords - $16 and change 6 pieces for $97.75".

OR

Does this just mean that I, and everyone that's nodding their head right now, am/are simply snobs when it comes to knives?

That maybe (can I actually say it) you probably couldn't get knives of that quality...position? quality platform? ...for the money, in many places. I never took any business classes. Nonetheless it seems that if they can run this program, which seems to be now in it's third hour, every weeknight or so, that they must be making mucho dinero. So wha 'cho think yo?

Would these knives be welcomed in poor African/South American/North American poor areas with clapped hands.

I suspect so.

SCDUB
 
This is Jim Frost's cheap knives. I buy all knives so I have no snob factor, and I have a few of these I bought years ago and was given a few. They are as cheap as it comes. They will fall apart themselves just by opening them a few times....STAY AWAY !!!
 
There is nothing snobbish about wanting to buy a quality knife. But quality knives are pretty esoteric. Most people don't know any better and buy into the claims made by junk merchants. Some people may know better but don't care enough about knives to want better.

I have a lot of junk knives, and to be honest, they are good enough to do 99% of what 99% of people will do with a knife.

As a knife knut, I want more.

But everyone draws a different line. Some are content with a Spyderco Native. Some will never use less than a handmade custom. And some need no more than some United/Master/Whatever crap.

It really just comes down to where someone's interest lies and how much they know about the product. I like my shoes just fine, but someone who is "into shoes" might laugh at them.

I am into knives, so I no longer buy crap and only buy quality. But an Mtech (or whatever) will work fine for most people. They may not know better, but they may not need better.

The problem is when an unknowning consumer buys junk and is conned into believing he/she got quality from the lies made by the merchant.
 
I've watched that selling show a few times. The knives seem like possibly something that you would buy if you resold them at a flea market. For what it breaks down to as like 2 bucks a knife, you can sell them for $6-$20 to the easy-going-know-nothing mall ninja. However, I would personally never use another cheap knife as long as I live. When I bought my Native for $85 I was thinking "holy cow is this expensive!" but it was worth every penny. I now know why it's important to have a knife that isn't dirt cheap.

Although, I was looking to try a M-tech Kerambit/claw just to see how they are before buying an emerson. But Im not sure I feel right doing so.
 
Where else can you become an instant knife-dealer of junk knives for $139.95?.:D.:D.
 
My wife has watched that show a few time and although she is not the knife nut that I am, after living with me for 39 yrs. she has seen what is good and bad where knives are concerned.
So, she watches that show for something to laugh at since she can see that all they sell is JUNK and the people on the show are more like clowns then real people.
I am sure that they sell some of their junk to a lot of unknowing people which amounts to just plain robbery to me.

That is not snobbish is just reality. Buyer beware!!!!:thumbdn: :grumpy:
 
muzzleup said:
and the people on the show are more like clowns then real people.
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I think this is maybe even a bigger issue than the junk they're selling! It reflects poorly on people like us. (Most of us, I'll say - with a smile.)

Plus, the nerve it takes to look into the camera with a straight face, selling that trash as decent...
 
Just to add if you where thinking of selling them...the locks and pivot screws fail very easily......cut off a few fingers and the guy you sold it to will be sueing good old Jim Frost and the seller.....they are total s-it....there was a show where the guy selling a sword hit the sword on the table during the show and it broke and cut him right on the air !! there is quailty for you...
 
Gotta say from very recent experience with this crew that I remembered the good Frost knives of the past when I decided to take a small chance on 9 of their "finest quality knives".

I received them yesterday and I was not very surprised, after finding this forum, that they are all crap. F&F is poor, the knives are a good 30% smaller than they're represented to be on TV. (I swear, that idiot they pay to hawk these things is only 4'11" tall and has hands the size of my 10 year old son.) The steel looks low end and cast, and the polishing is half done. Overall a bad product I can't recommend.

They have decent looks and style, but they need to be 30% larger ,like they look on TV. At $5.13 a piece, S&H included they are still a very poor deal. Every one of these knives is marked CHINA on the back of the blade, so the rumors that they are made in Pakistan has been put to rest.

If there's any interest I will take pictures of these beauties next to a ruler so you can see the real thing as it should be represented. I knew I'd be taking a chance when I ordered these, but Cutlery Corner Network has a 30 day money back guarantee. (NOTE: IMPORTANT!! you must have returned the knives within 30 days from date of purchase, the clock's been running since you placed your order in other words, and they must be sent back exactly according to Frost Cutlery's rules.) I will be sending them back with a return receipt request to cover my rear end.

Their return policy seems highly suspect to me, so I hope I won't run into any other problems that work in their favor.

I'll state at this point that I did this knowing what to expect, and was willing to risk my money in this experiment. If worse comes to worse I have a collection of what not to buys that I can test to destruction and show anyone who would choose to trust the Frost Cutlery Brand for a knife they have to depend on.

I think that's the best point that can be made here. Being a manufacturer of a certain product, I would never sell these things to anyone who did not fully understand that they can't be trusted to give good service.

I also figured out why these hucksters are so successful. Jim Frost has an admirable working man story, and people want to trust him. Of course people always want to get something at wholesale as well. It's in our nature to keep what we've got and get more at the least cost to ourselves. That's how rich people stay rich after all. Unfortunately, Jim has sold out his former standards of hard work and just compensation for the dream of easy riches. Maybe he grew his business too quickly and has to do this, but I'm more inclined to believe that greed has something to do with it.

My advice is, if you can't afford to lose the money don't take the risk. Otherwise, spend your money as you please, but don't except something good from the Frost Cutlery brand of knives. :(

P.S. Cutlery Corner Network as a medium should be something that better knife makers have a chance to use to show the best that America has to offer instead of the worst.
 
Oldtools said:
I knew I'd be taking a chance when I ordered these, but Cutlery Corner Network has a 30 day money back guarantee. (NOTE: IMPORTANT!! you must have returned the knives within 30 days from date of purchase,...and they must be sent back exactly according to Frost Cutlery's rules.)
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You know, I wonder about the advance sales they do sometimes. I've seen a couple of times where they have the display up, and in the order info box it tells you that they're expecting the product to arrive at such-and-such date. So, if you purchase it that night, and they don't have the product to ship to you for 14 days, then it takes another 10 days (at worst) to get to YOU, you've already used up 24 of your 30 days. That seems quite shady to me. Anyone else have a thought on this??
 
frost has done more to damage the knife world than any other single human. He has taught many thousands of people that you should never pay over $10 for a using knife & never pay over $25 for a fine collectable. He is helping kill the domestic factory knife industry. and he is luring people away from fine knives. In the knife world, he is Satan.
 
China, it is all China's fault! All the blades are made in China, shipped here, packaged, and shipped out to retail stores. They must sell a boat load of them.

I used to think of the Frost knives as akin to the $1.00 or $2.00 Imperial knives of my youth. Actually the Imperial's are better, far better.
 
I freaking love that show. It's a riot. Allow me to paraphrase for the uninitiated:

The names were chosen off ze top of my head.

"That's right Ted, I'm going to give them 10 of these knives, for a total of 25 dollars, that's about 2 dollars a piece!"

"That's just amazing Frank. I can't believe you're doing this. You can't possibly make a dime on this."

"Well, I know Ted, I know, but you know what else I'm going to do? I'm going to throw in four of these collectable UC swords. That's right, these swords were individually crafted by the finest knife makers in the world. Normally these sell for over twelve thousand dollars a piece, but today, I'm going to give you four of these swords, plus the ten of those knives, for only 40 dollars!"

"You're crazy Frank! There's no way we can make money on this now! Crazy!"

God. Those guys are comic genuis. Freaking brilliant.

If you wait till like 30 minutes in, you have to buy like 40+ knives at a time (for only 75 bucks!).

I've watched it maybe three times out of desperation. I've never seen so much as even a CRKT on that show, much less a Benchmade. I guess I just missed their Sebenza and DDR special episode.
 
22-rimfire said:
China, it is all China's fault! All the blades are made in China,....
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:confused: Why is it China's fault when Chinese cutleries produce knives to specifications
determined by US companies or when import companies buy cheap low quality knives
from Chinese cutleries and sell them in the USA.

The Chinese cutleries just manufacture the products and quality requested by foreign
companies and importers.
 
If the product sucks, then someone's responsible. If it was made by a Chinese company, then the chinese company is almost definitely responsible for its sucking. Conversely, Byrd seems to do pretty well. A country of origin is certainly no guarantee against sucking, but there's a pretty strong statistical probability that a knife NOT made in China will suck less than one that is made in China, on average.

I suppose our main complaint on China in particular is the oh so common illegal copying. The bali world is practically up in arms over it.
 
Artfully Martial said:
If the product sucks, then someone's responsible. If it was made by a Chinese company, then the chinese company is almost definitely responsible for its sucking. Conversely, Byrd seems to do pretty well....
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The fact that Byrd knives are "Made in China" and of high quality shows that Chinese cutleries are able to produce quality knives. IF it's requested by the foreign company or importer. I think they are responsible for the quality of the Chinese made knives they are selling.

Because the foreign company that outsources its production to China can determine the quality and product specifications. And the foreign importers can choose what knives to purchase from Chinese cutleries.

Only when a Chinese cutlery sells its knives directly and under its own trade name to wholesalers and/or the end customer, it's the Chinese cutlery that is responsible for the quality of their knives.

Just my opinion, of course ;)
 
Andy_CN said:
The fact that Byrd knives are "Made in China" and of high quality shows that Chinese cutleries are able to produce quality knives. IF it's requested by the foreign company or importer. I think they are responsible for the quality of the Chinese made knives they are selling.

Because the foreign company that outsources its production to China can determine the quality and product specifications. And the foreign importers can choose what knives to purchase from Chinese cutleries.

Only when a Chinese cutlery sells its knives directly and under its own trade name to wholesalers and/or the end customer, it's the Chinese cutlery that is responsible for the quality of their knives.

Just my opinion, of course ;)
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Its all supply and demand. Since there seems to be a greater demand for cheap knives, thats what China is going to produce the most of, and thats why Jim Frost is still in business.

I can't believe there are people who can't see through all the talk to the fact that a knife should cost a little more than $1.06.

BTW, here is the video of the sword infomerical on google videos.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2138979767659837843
 
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