MRI's and the knifemaker

Gossman Knives

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I'm not sure if this is off topic or not, Kit move this if it is. A fellow I work with on my regular job was telling me he has to get an MRI because of problems with his hip. He said they kept asking if he ever worked with sheet metal and stressed this was of importance. Has anyone been denied getting an MRI because they are a knifemaker? I thought this was interesting and wanted to see if anyone had a similar experience. I guess most of us have steel running through our veins. :D
Scott
 
I used to be a welder, and a friend of mine still is a welder, when he had to get his head MRI'd, they had to x ray it first, they said that if you had metal in your eye or something, that the MRI would pull it out, which would be unpleasant i imagine, I guess they are looking for the same things, metal splinters in your skin or maybe it would do something to you if you had too much metal dust in your lungs or something, not fun.
 
It's generally the eyes they're concerned with. They x-ray everything before an MRI anyway, because it's a billable procedure and that means more money in their pockets (kidding) but make sure you tell them you work with a lot of metal and they'll make sure they look extra careful. Pretty good reason to wear goggles in the shop.
 
The ask (or should ask) you if you have any schrapnel wounds, aneurysm clips, joint replacements, or if you have ever worked with metal, especially grinding metal.

If you answer yes to the grinding metal question they should send you to the xray dept for what is called a "screening orbits" exam. It usually consists of two films, identical in positioning, but with two separate films, so a film screen artifact will not simulate a foreign body in the eyeball.

These films are then read quickly by a radiologist and then you are cleared to go to MRI if no metal is seen.

The concern is not only the magnetic effect of the supermagnet, but also the heat that can be potentially generated by the radio wave that are used in conjuction to produce the images. Larger objects like hip replacement won't "rip" out....but can and will generate heat...and that is BAD

The MRI unit is one of the most awesome engineering feats ever. Early on in my training, they would demonstate its power by tieing a wrench to a rope, standing in the doorway, and letting it go.....the wrench would just stand in midair. :eek:
 
Thanks for the respones. I never thought about it but since he mentioned it to me at work last nite, it made me curious as to why. I can understand the the concern because of the magnetic field in the MRI. I guess we should stay away from junk yards that have the heavy equipment for crushing junk cars into a cube of metal. Might end up stuck to the BIG magnet that picks them up. :eek: :D
Scott
 
I had to have one done a while back
because of some holes in my hips ??

and I had to have the eyeball xray done..

I heard some dope head put a chair in the same room as the the machine

needless to same it cost some big $$$$ for repairs..
 
Greg is right about the high frequency magnetic fields causing heating in any bits of metal that may be embedded in your body. The theory behind this leads to transformer and motor cores having to be made up of laminations instead of being cut out of a solid piece.

I would believe the statements about the chair and the wrench since the company where I am working now sells UPS' (uniteruptible power supplies) that feed MRI and other medical equipment. They range from 15kVA up to 225kVA in capacity. That is a lot of energy! The power needed to make a metal sliver cook part of you would be just an infinitessimal fraction of the total.

Phil
 
randomly, they say the same thing about old school tattoo's, wich use metal based inks. i have heard that on large back peices, its like someone setting you on fire...
 
SethMurdoc said:
randomly, they say the same thing about old school tattoo's, wich use metal based inks. i have heard that on large back peices, its like someone setting you on fire...

I wonder how old? I've had a black panther one arm that's been there since
1974 or around there? and the last 2 MRI's didn't bother? :confused:
that's a good thing I'd say :D
 
Thank you everone, this is certainly been very enlightening. Luckily I don't need one but this is excellent feedback if the need ever came about. The part about tattoos is interesting. I didn't realize the ink was metal based. I'm sure todays inks are of different ingredients.
Scott
 
Razorback - Knives said:
Thank you everone, this is certainly been very enlightening. Luckily I don't need one but this is excellent feedback if the need ever came about. The part about tattoos is interesting. I didn't realize the ink was metal based. I'm sure todays inks are of different ingredients.
Scott


They may be, but apparently nobody really knows all of what goes into tattoo ink:

Study: Tattoo Ink May Contain Heavy Metals

Mon Mar 14,12:34 PM ET Health - Reuters
By Amy Norton

NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - Dirty needles may be the chief health concern with tattoos, but preliminary research suggests the inks used to make the body art may harbor potentially toxic heavy metals.
In an analysis of 17 tattoo inks from five manufacturers, researchers found evidence of a number of different metals, such as nickel and copper, in the products. It's unclear how much metal may be in the different inks - or whether there is any health risk.


Still, the study authors say the findings highlight the lack of oversight of tattoo ink manufacturing. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (news - web sites) (FDA (news - web sites)), which approves the color additives used in foods, cosmetics and drugs, does not regulate the inks used for tattooing, and no color additive has ever been approved for injection into the skin.


"A lot of people are surprised by that," said Leslie Wagner, a chemistry student at Northern Arizona University in Flagstaff and a co-author on the new study.


Many tattoo enthusiasts may assume that an ink that's injected into the skin has been approved by regulators to meet certain standards, she noted in an interview with Reuters Health.


However, it is not even clear what goes into a given tattoo pigment. Because the inks are not sold directly to consumers, manufacturers are not required to list the components on the product label, according to the FDA.


And no previous scientific studies have attempted to describe the composition of the inks, Wagner said.


In their research, Wagner and co-author Haley Finley-Jones have so far found that tattoo ink compositions vary from manufacturer to manufacturer, and from color to color. Moreover, Wagner said, "we've found a lot of indications of metals."


She and Finley-Jones presented the preliminary findings Sunday in San Diego, at the 229th national meeting of the American Chemical Society.


Tests are still underway to confirm the identities of all the metals in the tattoo inks, as well as the concentrations present. The health effects, if any, will require further research, according to Wagner.


However, she pointed to reports of certain tattoo complications for which the causes are currently unknown. People have, for example, been burned in tattooed skin areas during MRI scans, while others have developed allergic reactions to tattoo inks.


Whether the presence of metals in the inks has anything to do with these problems is not yet clear, according to Wagner.


"We're not trying to make any big claims that this is harmful," she said.


Even if tattoo ink components turn out to have no ill health effects, knowing their make-up could at least make things for easier for those who have second thoughts about their body art, Wagner noted.


Right now, tattoo removal is a fairly difficult process -- often requiring several laser treatments to lighten the tattoo, with varying aesthetic results. It's possible, Wagner said, that knowing the exact composition of tattoo pigments will help refine tattoo removal techniques.
 
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