Mullein Experiment Part I (& a few more BK2 pics)

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After months of looking I finally found a Mullein stalk to experiment with. It's not near as big as some of the ones I saw last year...and am still kicking myself for not collecting...but the experiment still shows some promise. I used the BK-2 to cut the stalk down the other day and I used it for the experiments today to scrape the green fuzzy coating off of the stalk, to cut it to length, and to shape the ends. The I used it to split a small thin hearth-board out of a piece of seasoned Poplar.

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I prefer a longer spindle if I can have it so I can lock my wrist against my shin right below the knee. But I quickly figured out that this one not going to work with the Mullein stalk I had and shortened the spindle. The Mullein seems to create more friction than wooden spindles, which is actually a good sign, and by having the string tight enough to turn the spindle it would easily bend laterally and was obviously going to break if I didn't shorten it.

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I had no problems burning the spindle into the hearth-board, then I cut the notch (using the saw on my SAK as usual if I have it), and prepped my tinder which was some fiber from hemp rope, and set out to make a a coal. Using such a short spindle I held the board in place with my knee and braced my wrist on my knee.

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I did get good smoke, and I got good dust, but I kept breaking spindles. While I am still wishing I had a larger Mullein stalk, I do think I can get a coal with this method with an even shorter spindle, which might require a longer hearth-board...I'm not sure yet. I'll try again later as I had other things to get to before sun down.

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nice!

time to get out there and find and harvest more stalks. i wonder if there's a sweet point in their being dried and seasoned? certainly i might guess before the first few hard freezes, which might make them too brittle. gathered green and carefully dried?
 
nice!

time to get out there and find and harvest more stalks. i wonder if there's a sweet point in their being dried and seasoned? certainly i might guess before the first few hard freezes, which might make them too brittle. gathered green and carefully dried?

Thanks Bladite.

That's what I had intended to do this year after all the reading about them on various forums over the last few years. I had been studying herbal properties mainly when I ran across a lot of material on their uses as spindles for hand and bow drill. I had seen LOTS of huge ones all over the place last year, some taller than I am, and I wanted to try some of them as spindles and as a two stick hearth board style. I have been told that unlike Yucca Mullein can be harvested early and will still dry out fine. I have hunted in different places all year here and that was the first one stalk I found. I found lots of bases and leaves but only this one stalk so far. I have been told that they are just like that...lots one year and then few another year. I'm still hoping to find more...but I'm also hoping next years crop is better too...
 
I have never liked mullein for a bow drill. It always seemed to brittle, and delicate for the pressure the string puts on it in the middle of the spindle. Now, I have been wanting some to try a hand drill with. Everything I have read and seen, say the Mullein is the handrill maker on that one. I have never been able to draw a coal with a hand drill, mainly, because my spindles are too short.

I tried some Yucca Mullein at Joe's a couple of weeks ago, and I got some good smoke within a couple of seconds of hand drilling. That's my goal is to find a 4' long piece of mullein, I got some willow for the boards, and I am going for my hand drill coal badge.

Good post mist, I like the shots, lookin' good.

Moose
 
Interesting post MW, thanks for that.

I know what you're really doing: posting subliminal shots of your BK2 to influence my decision. You and your Jedi mind tricks...

Claudiasboris
 
Using such a short spindle I held the board in place with my knee and braced my wrist on my knee.

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Mist, you had just become my new hero for about 2 minutes: finally, a fire bow drill set I did not have to torture my poor football knees with using . . . . . . . . . then you post this shot . . . :(
Just kidding my good man . . :) I think Bladite might be on to something. My grandfather used to make yokes for these small sets of carved wagons with logs & toy ox pulling them and I remember him saying time & again he waited too long to get the sticks he bent for the yokes.
Great shots though, & I know the Moose put you up to using the BK-2 because of me . . . . didn't he ? ? ? :D
Thanks again for sharing with us.
Be safe.
 
I have never liked mullein for a bow drill. It always seemed to brittle, and delicate for the pressure the string puts on it in the middle of the spindle. Now, I have been wanting some to try a hand drill with. Everything I have read and seen, say the Mullein is the handrill maker on that one. I have never been able to draw a coal with a hand drill, mainly, because my spindles are too short.

I tried some Yucca Mullein at Joe's a couple of weeks ago, and I got some good smoke within a couple of seconds of hand drilling. That's my goal is to find a 4' long piece of mullein, I got some willow for the boards, and I am going for my hand drill coal badge.

Good post mist, I like the shots, lookin' good.

Moose

Thanks Moose, I am just more proficient with a bow drill than I am with a hand drill...lots of coals with a bow and zero coals by hand, and several sore palms trying. I've gotten dust several times and smoke a few times using yucca on yucca but no coals. I grasp the concept and all but it's just one of those things where I think I am actually going to have to need the fire to manage success. I have some slender yucca stalks and I saved the slender upper stalk of the mullein, plus I have some willow around and I have found some basswood trees on my land so I'll try more later.

I know Mullein is mostly associated with the hand drill as far as friction fire goes but I have seen videos where it was used as the spindle for a bow drill. However the person in the video was using a larger stalk like some of the ones I found last year. I hope they are around again next year.



Interesting post MW, thanks for that.

I know what you're really doing: posting subliminal shots of your BK2 to influence my decision. You and your Jedi mind tricks...

Claudiasboris

Thanks Claudias, glad you enjoyed it.

Lol, I'm just posting my experiences with the knife. Don't try to blame your liking it on me, that would be entirely Ethan's fault...at least that's who I blame for my liking it so much :)

By the way it's actually being well received...you know where :)



Mist, you had just become my new hero for about 2 minutes: finally, a fire bow drill set I did not have to torture my poor football knees with using . . . . . . . . . then you post this shot . . . :(
Just kidding my good man . . :) I think Bladite might be on to something. My grandfather used to make yokes for these small sets of carved wagons with logs & toy ox pulling them and I remember him saying time & again he waited too long to get the sticks he bent for the yokes.
Great shots though, & I know the Moose put you up to using the BK-2 because of me . . . . didn't he ? ? ? :D
Thanks again for sharing with us.
Be safe.

Trust me, after 25 years as a carpenter...primarily a finish carpenter...I share your pain lol. I much prefer a long spindle. However after nearly loosing several toes to a severe cold weather injury I'll suffer some pain to get the fire if needs be. I'll still be trying the short spindle again with an even shorter spindle.

The Mullein being so brittle this time of year is one of the factors that help it work so well with friction fire. It really doesn't snap all that easy, it's just the force of the bow on such a slender stalk is too much for it if too long I think. It sure cuts into the wood, produces good heat and good dust. Pretty sure with a larger diameter spindle or a shorter one and I would have had a good coal. I'll test that theory again later after the rains and snow we are supposed to get passes through.
 
Mistwalker,

Try using an Egyptian bow - it will reduce the stress on the drill.

Doc

Oh, yeah, the multiple wraps, I been wanting to see how that does. You use them alot, DOC?

Moose
 
Keep at it , mullein is one of my favorites, I have luck with the 2 stick method with mullien, give that a spin.
I have been playing with common roadside type plants and thanks to IAWOODSMAN=Mullien, and DOC-CANADA = Bull thistle, bouth work (bow drill/hand drill)
Thanks
 
Oh, yeah, the multiple wraps, I been wanting to see how that does. You use them alot, DOC?

Moose

No, I consider them cheating, at least for me :rolleyes: but if you have less than optimal materials, including bow string, it certainly does the job.

In mistwalker's case, it may reduce the flexing of the longer Mullein stalk. BTW, Mullein sucks for hand drill. (I included this because those of you in this sub-forum may not have heard my rants before :rolleyes: )

There is a lot of better materials to use, at least IMHO.

Doc

jcl posted at the same time - Bull Thistle (Cirsium vulgare), Common Teasel (Dipsacus sylvestris), Jerusalem Artichoke (Helianthus tuberosus) are all better choices, of course, in my opinion.

Doc II
 
No, I consider them cheating, at least for me :rolleyes: but if you have less than optimal materials, including bow string, it certainly does the job.

In mistwalker's case, it may reduce the flexing of the longer Mullein stalk. BTW, Mullein sucks for hand drill. (I included this because those of you in this sub-forum may not have heard my rants before :rolleyes: )

There is a lot of better materials to use, at least IMHO.

Doc

Sweet info, thanks for saving me the blisters, DOC. I have tried with Yucca stalks before with limited success. Limited being smoke and thats about all. Its not something I am willing to diverge my life to achieve, I would just like to be able to do it a parties and outtings, to impress women.:D

Thanks again DOC.

Moose
 
Keep at it , mullein is one of my favorites, I have luck with the 2 stick method with mullien, give that a spin.
I have been playing with common roadside type plants and thanks to IAWOODSMAN=Mullien, and DOC-CANADA = Bull thistle, bouth work (bow drill/hand drill)
Thanks

Oh, I've seen too many people doing, and see more than enough promise in it that there's no way I'd stop trying.



Oh, yeah, the multiple wraps, I been wanting to see how that does. You use them alot, DOC?

Moose




No, I consider them cheating, at least for me :rolleyes: but if you have less than optimal materials, including bow string, it certainly does the job.

In mistwalker's case, it may reduce the flexing of the longer Mullein stalk. BTW, Mullein sucks for hand drill. (I included this because those of you in this sub-forum may not have heard my rants before :rolleyes: )

There is a lot of better materials to use, at least IMHO.

Doc

jcl posted at the same time - Bull Thistle (Cirsium vulgare), Common Teasel (Dipsacus sylvestris), Jerusalem Artichoke (Helianthus tuberosus) are all better choices, of course, in my opinion.

Doc II

I hadn't thought about doing multiple wraps in this case, though I have used it with less than perfect bow string. I was thinking maybe a bow with a little more flex to it, maybe use the double wrap too though...along with a shorter spindle :thumbup:
 
Keep at it , mullein is one of my favorites, I have luck with the 2 stick method with mullien, give that a spin.
I have been playing with common roadside type plants and thanks to IAWOODSMAN=Mullien, and DOC-CANADA = Bull thistle, bouth work (bow drill/hand drill)
Thanks

I've been doing the same as JCL-md, I have successfully used mullen, sunflower stalk, hemp stalk, cornstalk, thistle, yucca all gathered from road side or ditches.

My thought is that here in central Nebraska if your not in a river bottom area trees are hard to come by. Such as the sandhill region, all of these plants grow there and some are everywhere you turn.

Something to be said about this plants, they all have a harder outside with a firm pith inside.

The only hand drill coals I have gotten have been with mullen and hemp stalk. I look at it as, if I can use it for hand drill I should always be able to use it for bow and drill.

Here's a video I did using hemp

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Many of you say you're interested in learning more about plants. The following is some additional information on Common Mullein (Verbascum thapsus). I'm too lazy to retype it, so I copied and pasted it from my notes.

The two letters and numbers in parentheses refer to the book and page number the information comes from. If you want to know what the book is, just ask.

This represents a page from a plant data base that is a 'work-in-progress' and as such, has some incomplete sections.

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COMMON MULLEIN

AKA: Aaron's Rod, Adam's Flannel, Blanket Leaf, Candle Plant, Feltwort, Flannel Leaf, Jacob's Staff, King's Candle, Velvet Dock, Velvet Leaf (not to be confused with the other Velvet Leaf - Abutilon theophrasti - Doc), Wild Tobacco (EG280, JW219, EJ239)
- Quaker's Rouge
- Camper's toilet paper

SCIENTIFIC NAME: Verbascum thapsus

DESCRIPTION (in particular any unique characteristics):

FLOWERING TIMES:

FRUITING TIMES:

HABITAT:

HARVEST:

PREPARATION:

Other than as a beverage, no food use discovered at this time. (Doc - 7/01)

RELATED EDIBLE SPECIES:

POISONOUS LOOK-ALIKES:

WARNINGS!:
- What can not be stressed enough, whether any part of mullein is to be used fresh or dried in an infusion, decoction, or oil, is the need for straining these liquids through a double layer of muslin in order to eliminate the fine hairs that cover all parts of the plant, including the flowers. These hairs can otherwise cause itching in the mouth even after they have been steeped in liquid. (JW222)

- Mullein seeds are toxic and may cause poisoning. (KV387)

MEDICINAL USE:

- Mullein tea provides vitamins B2, B5, B12, D, choline, hesperidin, PABA, sulphur, magnesium, mucilage, saponins, and other active substances. (WM248)

- Mullein is described as having remarkable demulcent (soothing, relieves inflammation - IH xxxvii), emollient (softens and soothes inflamed parts - IH xxxvii), and antispasmodic (relieves or prevents spasms - IH xxxvii) properties; as being a valued astringent (causes contraction and arrests discharges - IH xxxvii); diuretic (increases the secretion and flow of urine - IHxxxvii); vulnerary (promotes healing of cuts and wounds - RM241); and expectorant (acting on the lungs to promote discharge of mucous - RM241); rich in mucilage and other valuable constituents. It is considered particularly useful in treating complaints of the respiratory system, wasting diseases, and inflammations of the mucous membrane and as a respected nerve tonic. (JW221)

- Laboratory tests have shown that it is anti-inflammatory, with antibiotic activity and that it inhibits the tuberculosis bacillus. (WM249)

- Mullein tea is used as a beverage, but it's best known as one of the safest, most effective herbal cough remedies. (WM248)

- Mullein tea is an astringent and demulcent. It's good for diarrhea. (WM249)

- Tea from leaves and flowers used as a folk or naturopathic remedy to treat coughs, colds, bronchitis and other upper respiratory problems. (JM31)

- Herbalists prescribe mullein for relieving a dry cough, allaying diarrhea, and acting as a mild nerve tonic. (JW222)

- As a poultice (the decocted leaves) brings immediate relief from the ache of boils, ulcers, frostbite, piles, scabs, and burns. (JW222)

- An infusion of the flowers as a tea, is used for inducing sleep and relieving pain. (RM186)

- The leaves have an analgesic (pain relieving) effect. (RM186)

- Mullein was smoked in pipes to relieve a sore throat, but in order to ease mental distress, they are reported to have smoked mullein mixed with real tobacco. (JW221)

- Used in herbal smoking mixtures. (ASG9/00)

- There is a presence of coumarin and rotenone in mullein. (ASG9/00)

- Mullein oil is considered one of the finest remedies for all ear complaints. (JW223)

- Mountain folk healers use mullein flowers, Epsom salts, and vinegar to wash necrotic (dead and decaying tissue) wounds of recluse spider bites. (JM31)

FIRST AID USES:

- Hairy leaves used to rub out pain of stinging nettle. (JM31)

- The burned leaves of mullein, used as an incense, has been used in relieving lung congestion. (KK88)

- Used for diaper rash by simply using one of the big leaves, instead of a cloth diaper. (RM186)

TECHNOLOGICAL USES:

-leaves can be used as a pot holder (ASG9/00)

-nature's toilet paper (see rubefacient, below )

-an excellent pithy core, found in the stalk, was used as a charred tinder material. (KK36)

-the dried stalk was used as a hand drill for friction fire making. (TB7-147)

-large amounts of the fresh, crushed leaves and seeds (which contain greater volumes of rotenone) were used as a fish stunner. (ASG9/00)

- This use as a fish stunner can be traced back more than 2000 years. (JW220)

- dried flowerheads, soaked in tallow, produce marvelous torches. (TB7-147)

- the plant can be put to a variety of domestic uses, including a good lamp wick, a torch, if the whole plant is used, and as a glove for picking stinging nettles. (RM186)

- crushed up, dried leaf will serve as a fairly good tinder for firestarting.

- first stripped of leaves, then dipped in suet, pitch or resin and lighted, mullein stalks served as the candles and torches of ancient kings and commoners, alike. Until cotton came into common use, the down of the leaves served for tinder and lamp wicks because it ignited upon even the slightest spark. (JW219)

- wooly mullein leaves, slipped into shoes have warmed many a poorly shod foot throughout the ages, including in modern times of great need. (JW220)

- native Americans lined moccasins with the warm, wooly leaf. (JM31)

- if you boil down a large quantity of mullein plants in water and pour the decoction into fish ponds, the saponins in the mullein will reduce the surface tension of the water to such an extent that the water will get into the gills of the fish, which then drown in their own "element". (HP190)

GENERAL (includes legend and lore):

-it was brought to North America from Europe and was well established by the 1800's. (EJ239)

-ancient cultures around the world considered Mullein a magical protector against witchcraft and evil spirits. (KV385)

- common name, Mullein, comes from the Latin mollis, meaning soft. (BN-39)

- "The name, mullein, has 2 possible derivations - it come either from MOLLIS, which means 'soft' in Latin, or the Latin word, MULANDRUM, which comes from MELANDERS, and means 'leprosy' - an illness this plant was used to treat. 'Verbascum' means 'mullein' in Latin. It derives from the word 'BARBASCUM' which means "with beard". Roman men shaved, barbarians didn't and mullein is certainly as wooly as any barbarian you'll ever encounter. The species name is THAPSUS because mullein resembles the European genus, THAPSIA, named after an ancient town in present day Tunisia. (WM248)

- Mormon women, forbidden to use makeup, rubbed the rough leaves of this rubefacient (to cause reddening of the skin by means of counter-irritation (RM240) on their cheeks to create a beautiful red flush. People who spend time in the woods are attracted to mullein's large velvety leaves when they run out of toilet paper, again creating a beautiful red flush on their cheeks. (WM249)


- ADDITIONAL INFORMATION
·"Most rubefacients are quite irritating. It seems likely that it is the irritation of the tiny, woolen hairs of the Mullein leaf that causes the reddening." (SH230)

·Maybe only the 1st year leaves have rubefacient effect [see SH230].

·Rubefacient - An agent that reddens the skin by producing active or passive increases of blood to the skin. (HM17)

- Archaeologists sometimes look for Indian sites where there's lots of Mullein, because the lime from the Indian shell piles increases soil alkalinity, encouraging this plant to proliferate. (WM248)

- Mullein rosettes can be found in any month of the year. (CJ240)

- Like Evening Primrose and Queen Anne's Lace, Common Mullein is popularly called a biennial but may live for more than just 2 years. If the rosette of leaves grow fast the first year, then the plant will bloom the second year. If the rosette is still small after the first year, then it will grow for a second year and produce blooms the third year. (EJ241)

- The stalk can be 6 or more, feet tall and if you look at its lower part, you will see that it is clearly 5-sided. When the leaves are on the plant, you can see that they are arranged in a spiral up the stem, every 5th leaf directly above one below it. This same arrangement of leaves can be seen on Blackberry stems, which are also 5-sided. (EJ241)

- The flowers, when in bloom, seem to be scattered up and down the stalk, but there is order to this seeming randomness. They are arranged in several spirals up the stem and each flower in bloom is preceded by the one lower on the spiral and will be followed the next day by the one higher on the spiral. Each flower is open only one day, from dawn to midafternoon. (EJ243)



CRITTERS THAT USE THIS FOR FOOD:

RECIPES:

SOURCES CONSULTED: ASG, BN, CJ, EG, EJ, HP, IH, JM, JW, KK, KV, MF, RM, SH, TB7, TE, WM,

PERSONAL OBSERVATIONS:

- works as a hand drill, although not my favourite because of the careful cleaning of the stalk, required. If you don't clean it well, it chews the hell out of your hands.

- makes an excellent lamp wick
 
I've been doing the same as JCL-md, I have successfully used mullen, sunflower stalk, hemp stalk, cornstalk, thistle, yucca all gathered from road side or ditches.

My thought is that here in central Nebraska if your not in a river bottom area trees are hard to come by. Such as the sandhill region, all of these plants grow there and some are everywhere you turn.

Something to be said about this plants, they all have a harder outside with a firm pith inside.

The only hand drill coals I have gotten have been with mullen and hemp stalk. I look at it as, if I can use it for hand drill I should always be able to use it for bow and drill.

Here's a video I did using hemp...

Wow...quick coals. Thanks for the information. I'm thinking cultivating hemp in this area might get me in trouble. However...I could see possibly finding a stalk from a similar plant in the mountains here some times...




Many of you say you're interested in learning more about plants. The following is some additional information on Common Mullein (Verbascum thapsus). I'm too lazy to retype it, so I copied and pasted it from my notes.

The two letters and numbers in parentheses refer to the book and page number the information comes from. If you want to know what the book is, just ask.

That was awesome Doc thanks! I had already read a lot of similar information but nothing that in-depth.

Ok, I am asking now?
 
That was awesome Doc thanks! I had already read a lot of similar information but nothing that in-depth. Ok, I am asking now?[/QUOTE]

Which one? For example: "- Mullein tea is used as a beverage, but it's best known as one of the safest, most effective herbal cough remedies. (WM248)
" the (WM248) refers to page 248 of WM (WM- Identifying & Harvesting Edible & Medicinal Plants in Wild ( and not so wild) Places, 'Wildman' Steve Brill / Evelyn Dean, Hearst Books, 1994, ISBN# 688-11425-3)

Each different letter/number footnote refers to a different book. In the original page, the bibliography at the bottom is hyperlinked to an all-inclusive bibliography of my books. That's the only way I can remember where the information comes from, especially as I get older :(, and to quote Samuel Johnson, " Knowledge is of two kinds. We know a subject ourselves, or we know where we can find information upon it."

Doc
 
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That was awesome Doc thanks! I had already read a lot of similar information but nothing that in-depth. Ok, I am asking now?[/QUOTE]

Which one? For example: "- Mullein tea is used as a beverage, but it's best known as one of the safest, most effective herbal cough remedies. (WM248)
" the (WM248) refers to page 248 of WM (WM- Identifying & Harvesting Edible & Medicinal Plants in Wild ( and not so wild) Places, 'Wildman' Steve Brill / Evelyn Dean, Hearst Books, 1994, ISBN# 688-11425-3)

Each different letter/number footnote refers to a different book. In the original page, the bibliography at the bottom is hyperlinked to an all-inclusive bibliography of my books. That's the only way I can remember where the information comes from, especially as I get older :(, and to quote Samuel Johnson, " Knowledge is of two kinds. We know a subject ourselves, or we know where we can find information upon it."

Doc

Ok, I see what you mean. Thanks Doc, I'll have to reply more later when I have had some rest :)
 
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