Murder of a bear

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mete

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In northern NJ a young curious black bear woke up sleeping campers .It was 140 lbs which means it was on it's own for the first time.This was filmed by nearby campers and shown on NBC-TV in NYC.No damage was done but officials killed the bear !! This in a state that strongly resists bear hunts and if you have squirrels in your attic you can't kill them they have to be removed to another area safely!!. The bear probably smelled food .
 
komondor said:
Humans are the only animal that can be murdered.
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That's what the law says. As long as you never met a law you didn't like. I think we understand mete meant a young life was taken very lightly. Or, as a friend of mine once wrote:

I'm really taken in by the bear,
Plopping flatfoot through "estates",
Rattling cans and bending antennae
Following strains of too-loud reggae.
Gaining a following of cops and kids
Intrigued by the clatter of garbage can lids,
Shaggy and hulking but fast on his feet
When he turns back and looks, all retreat.

His coat shines and ripples as he goes,
Hiding the muscles that he seldom shows.
Claws unconcerned with battles today,
It's food that he craves here, not play.
"I was here before you", he mutters and growls,
"when salmon was plenty and coyote howls,
Were louder than horns, and honey grew wild,
And this manicured land was as fresh as a child."

Then rumbling, he rambled right out of town.
Trailing peelings and wrappings and wearing a frown.
He'll be back. As he said,
"I was here before you and I'll be here when you're dead."

-- Fran
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It was 140 lbs which means it was on it's own for the first time.
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You are missing the point of the exercise. That animal had become accustomed to approach humans. It was either kill it now, or after it butchers some unlucky camper.

n2s
 
I'd have to agree with Not2Sharp on that one. Probably originated with humans as the contribution to the bears accustomation (<< That a word? :D ). About 25 miles outside Anchorage, residents have to take special measures with there trash as not to train the bears to associate food with humans.

But I feel that even though the bear is used to humans, it should NOT have been put down. I have a friend/customer that was at the Russian River Sanctuary a week or so back and was with a handful of other people. 10, yes, 10!!! Grizzlies showed up including two mothers with 3 cubs. My friend had no where to go and neither did anyone else. One guys, nuts as he may be, continued to fish and even catch, landed and released a red salmon while one of the cubs was 6 feet away. The mother of the cub watched from a short distance. The point? Bears and humans can co-exist even if the bears are comfortable around humans. The only problem is if the bear becomes an aggressor. Just my 12:15am view :)
 
Okay, so a bear was shot.....and the problem is? :confused:

Get over the Disney films, bears are wild animals who'll take you out in a heartbeat - not your furry forest friends. :rolleyes:
 
one45auto said:
Okay, so a bear was shot.....and the problem is? :confused:
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The problem is that people are not aware when they venture into bear country. My thought is, I enjoy, yes ENJOY being around grizzlies when I fish because that is still apart of nature. Too be honest, I get pissed when a bear is put down due to some idiot throwing rocks and getting mauled. I like to see the wild remain just that, wild!!!

I am an avid supporter of hunting and plan on bear hunting soon. Am I contradicting myself? Nope. When I, or a fellow hunter take down a bear, it's for the meat. When fish and game has too, 95% of the time it's due to someone caught in a bad situation or not using their head.

Guess when you have a grizzly cub raid your pack and only eat the teddy grahms, not the candy bars or fish nearby, you kind of enjoy having them around. Hard to explain :D
 
mete said:
In northern NJ a young curious black bear woke up sleeping campers .It was 140 lbs which means it was on it's own for the first time.This was filmed by nearby campers and shown on NBC-TV in NYC.No damage was done but officials killed the bear !! This in a state that strongly resists bear hunts and if you have squirrels in your attic you can't kill them they have to be removed to another area safely!!. The bear probably smelled food .
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I feel (And for another discussion) that the news should focus on bear awareness more so and prevent attacks or encounters rather than just attacks. But then they wouldn't have the news, would they? ;)

The local paper and news every year come summer, continually educate and broadcast bear awareness tips and safety measures.

Cool Poem Esav :cool: :thumbup:
 
Esav, love the poem!...who is "Fran"?

The way I look at it, is that when humans go into the territory of other predators and don't obey the common sense rules they deserve to be eaten, the same as they do to other animals.

Some days your the hunter, some days your the deer.

The one law the gods never break.
 
I was watching a program on this last night on O'Reilly, and there were 7-800 reports of bear attacks in NJ alone just this year.:eek:

People want to screw with nature and not let evil hunters kill the predators, then the predators multiply, and come to kill you.

The same thing is happening in the peoples republic of kalifornia too, except mountain lions can be added in along with the bears.
 
KnifeAddictAK said:
I feel (And for another discussion) that the news should focus on bear awareness more so and prevent attacks or encounters rather than just attacks. But then they wouldn't have the news, would they? ;)

The local paper and news every year come summer, continually educate and broadcast bear awareness tips and safety measures.

Cool Poem Esav :cool: :thumbup:
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But I think we should strive to understand and negotiate with the bears. ;)
 
Fran is a friend of mine from an online poetry forum.

Bears in NJ live in a densely human populated area. Just up the road from us is wild country, but of course it's only a few minutes deep . :rolleyes: Except now they're putting in more homes so the bears are being pushed out.

Most summers one of them comes down to visit my little town, wanders around backyards, and cleans out low-hanging bird feeders.

These ain't grizzlies, folks. You almost have to work at getting a reaction from them. Yes, they can be dangerous, although I worry more about some of the dogs running loose, and a few of the dogs on leashes, the owners being idiots.

There are several techniques for dealing with bears who "become accustomed" to living near humans. Killing them all is one. I was born and raised in New York City. I lived there most of my life. Concrete concrete concrete everywhere. pave it over, nothing else survives, just humans, rats, and pigeons, oh, and bugs ... kill the damn bear, he's a menace. Kill kill kill kill kill kill ...
 
Mike , "7-800 ATTACKS" in NJ ???? The media is again creating hysteria.That should read 7-800 contacts by bears with man....I had one of those young bears knock [literally] on my door one morning.That wasn't an attack . I met a 400 lb bear from 10 feet away and other s in similar situations . They weren't attacks .Both bears and me were unharmed...A young bear like the one they killed is 1 1/2 years old . On his own for the first time ,no mama to feed him. So he looks for easy food sources [campgrounds thanks to stupid campers] and like any 'teenager ' sometimes gets into mischief. The bear at my door ? I shouted at him and fired a gun into the ground [just for the noise] and he took off and I never saw him again.
 
i can't believe they killed it. i hope the bears momma comes back and eats the guy who shot the little bear
 
Did this bear venture into an innercity street and did it cause a immediate deadly threat to people? How come when we go into the woods we expect "dangerous wildlife" to get shot when they approach us on their turf?

Would we accept packs of wolves enter our city's and eat a bunch of people, and agree?

Woods are the natural habitat of wildlife, either stay out, or when you do enter , remember the fact that it's their home you are invading and some wildlife seem to be protective on their turf( and they should be).

This doesn't mean you don't have the right to defend yourself from a unprovoked deadly attack from a "dangerous animal" but you should respect and understand the animals behaviour.

IIRC there are very few animals that go on a killing rampage just for the fun of it.

Remember that movie of the guy that sees a black bear in the woods, stops his car, get's out of his vehicle and approaches the bear and starts to film it closeby? I didn't feel sorry for the dumbass when he was attacked.

If you mess with the bull, you get the horn !
 
Oh, the bears are just roly-poly clowns in fur coats. Funny, cute bears. We like them, and they like us. Let's leave our babies unattended in a stroller near the funny bears. They're our friends. I don't think they even have claws or teeth. Sweet, friendly bears, they're so cute and unaggressive. They only like to eat honey and sniff flowers. Friendly, cuddly bears - oh why can't we just move into their caves with them?
 
IIRC bears are dangerous wildlife that can kill you. No, you should not leave your kid alone in a stroller (predators can also be human). They are not our friends. they are better equipped for warfare then we are. They are not friendly and not cuddly. But they have as much rights to live in the woods, as we do to camp in the woods. Just remember that we are on their turf, and should adapt.

I live near the woods, sometimes wild animals wander in my yard if they don't get chased away by my guard dogs.
Ants, spider, flies, mosquito's, rats, mice live in my house. Do i mind?
No, if i didn't understood the fact that I build my house next to the woods, i would have bought a condo in a big city.
 
Mongo-man said:
No, you should not leave your kid alone in a stroller (predators can also be human).
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Are you sure? I have 3 kids ranging in age from 8 to 18, and when they were little I made a regular practice of leaving them in their strollers near bears. Worked fine for me, but YMMV.
 
It seems that some people think that if you go into an area with wild animals in it and are approached by one then it should be killed. No bears are not cute, cuddly, friendly Disneyesque creatures. But if you go into their territory then you accept the risks. If you get attacked then defend yourself. If an animal becomes a danger then hunt it down but don't just kill a bear because it dared to come near a human.

It is like someone wandering down a dark alleyway in a bad part of town flashing money about and wondering why they got mugged. People need to use some common sense in both the great outdoors as well as in urban environs. Unfortunately it seems that common sense is becomming rarer and rarer these days. Perhaps it is a good thing that those lacking basic common sense get weeded out from the genepool.
 
Sunraven said:
It seems that some people think that if you go into an area with wild animals in it and are approached by one then it should be killed. No bears are not cute, cuddly, friendly Disneyesque creatures. But if you go into their territory then you accept the risks. If you get attacked then defend yourself. If an animal becomes a danger then hunt it down but don't just kill a bear because it dared to come near a human.

It is like someone wandering down a dark alleyway in a bad part of town flashing money about and wondering why they got mugged. People need to use some common sense in both the great outdoors as well as in urban environs. Unfortunately it seems that common sense is becomming rarer and rarer these days. Perhaps it is a good thing that those lacking basic common sense get weeded out from the genepool.
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I guess you have a lot of experience with bears coming in your campsite in England there, but over here when a bear becomes comfortable doing this there is a good chance that eventually something bad is going to happen. People go camping with kids over here - how can you expect a kid to "use common sense in the great outdoors" when he is being pulled out of his tent by the neck in the middle of the night? Just a year or two ago a baby was pulled from its stroller and killed by a Black bear not too far from where I live. These people were at a resort area, not in the middle of the woods, and the stroller was parked right next to the cabin. When these animals become a bit too comfortable around people there is a possiblity of things like this happening.
 
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