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Muslim weapons
- Thread starter chris22
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There are barongs for sale at http://www.mdenterprise.com/moro.htm
I have no idea as to their quality.
[This message has been edited by Joel Stave (edited 01-21-2000).]
I have no idea as to their quality.
[This message has been edited by Joel Stave (edited 01-21-2000).]
I was saving this for later but Chris I'm glad you mentioned this.
Firstly, for anyone really into the Muslim weapon tree, get the book "Moros and their Swords" which is out of print and about $60 but worth it.
Why get it? It's the premier detailed guide and the author Robert Cato has part of his collection shown. Mr. Cato in the late 80's sold some of his collection, one of the swords in the book is in the hands of my instructor.
Shannon Lew also purchased some barongs and kampilans from Mr. Cato. He's also in your neck of the woods, Chris. Mr. Cato's book is also referred quite a lot on Ebay, be warned that Ebay means bidding wars.
I'll try and review the book itself and share other resources I've found to be valuable.
All of this is nice and such but to anyone intending on getting a piece to enjoy (practice) and not hang on a wall, go out to the gun shows or such and handle the pieces. If you like it and can enjoy it, it might not be junk. Same rule applies to kukri's and knives in general.
Firstly, for anyone really into the Muslim weapon tree, get the book "Moros and their Swords" which is out of print and about $60 but worth it.
Why get it? It's the premier detailed guide and the author Robert Cato has part of his collection shown. Mr. Cato in the late 80's sold some of his collection, one of the swords in the book is in the hands of my instructor.
Shannon Lew also purchased some barongs and kampilans from Mr. Cato. He's also in your neck of the woods, Chris. Mr. Cato's book is also referred quite a lot on Ebay, be warned that Ebay means bidding wars.
I'll try and review the book itself and share other resources I've found to be valuable.
All of this is nice and such but to anyone intending on getting a piece to enjoy (practice) and not hang on a wall, go out to the gun shows or such and handle the pieces. If you like it and can enjoy it, it might not be junk. Same rule applies to kukri's and knives in general.
On my own understanding, I think Kampilan and Barong are not Muslim bolos/nor bladed weapons that represents the muslim in the south. The only sword they claim as their own is the Kris. The barong and the Kampilan are also use by the Visayans (Visayanos) people.
When I was in one of tourist store, I saw a good replica of all the kinds of bladed weapon in the Phils and the region they represents. This thing I am saying is a wall decor and it is a good reference when buying the real one.
Thanks
When I was in one of tourist store, I saw a good replica of all the kinds of bladed weapon in the Phils and the region they represents. This thing I am saying is a wall decor and it is a good reference when buying the real one.
Thanks
stdalire, I must disagree.
On the video, 'Crossing the Sulu Seas', you will see barongs being made and carried. The Kampilan and kris are war weapons.
The Moroland plaque has been a tourist trap for over 100 years. The originals don't even resemble the current weapon tree.
On the video, 'Crossing the Sulu Seas', you will see barongs being made and carried. The Kampilan and kris are war weapons.
The Moroland plaque has been a tourist trap for over 100 years. The originals don't even resemble the current weapon tree.
Smoke: I agree with you that the Kris an Kampilan are for warrior weapon blade of the first Filipinos. But to my own understanding and first hand communication with some moros of the south, they just claim that the KRIS is the sword of them that only represent the moros.
Yes, LAPULAPU made the kampilan famous but Lapulapu is not from Mindanao but from Mactan, and Island of Cebu belong to the Visayas Islands and Lapulapu is not a Moro but make the Kampilan very famous on that battle of Mactan. This is jsut my own analysis of our Phil History. But if there are more documented facts about it's truth of this particualr subject, than I am willing to know also.
About the video "Crossing the Sulu Seas" is just a film and sometimes film needs to deviate for better showing and other business purpose.
My only strong evidence is: Lapulapu is not a moro, he is a chieftain of Mactan a part of Cebu Island and these two territories are are located in the Visayas comprising the major Islands of the Philippines. I know for sure you know this also.
As to the authenticity of the Weapon Tree, I cannot vouch it. I have referred it as reference for I have seen most of the weapon in it desribed as Moro Weapon but many Ilocanos like me from the north are using it. If you are familiar with the bolo called "Sinampalok" we can also see in the south but not a moro weapon.
Thanks smoke for the reminder.
Yes, LAPULAPU made the kampilan famous but Lapulapu is not from Mindanao but from Mactan, and Island of Cebu belong to the Visayas Islands and Lapulapu is not a Moro but make the Kampilan very famous on that battle of Mactan. This is jsut my own analysis of our Phil History. But if there are more documented facts about it's truth of this particualr subject, than I am willing to know also.
About the video "Crossing the Sulu Seas" is just a film and sometimes film needs to deviate for better showing and other business purpose.
My only strong evidence is: Lapulapu is not a moro, he is a chieftain of Mactan a part of Cebu Island and these two territories are are located in the Visayas comprising the major Islands of the Philippines. I know for sure you know this also.
As to the authenticity of the Weapon Tree, I cannot vouch it. I have referred it as reference for I have seen most of the weapon in it desribed as Moro Weapon but many Ilocanos like me from the north are using it. If you are familiar with the bolo called "Sinampalok" we can also see in the south but not a moro weapon.
Thanks smoke for the reminder.
Hi! I was wondering if there is anyone here who has used/handled the Filipino weapons offered by Kris Cutlery and also those in their Sandata catalog. What do you think of them? Don't know enough about Filipino weapons and FMA and would like to learn more.
Thank you for any information.
- Sonam
Thank you for any information.
- Sonam
gtkguy and the rest,
90% of my Filipino/Indonesian weapon collection comes from Kris Cutlery/Sandata weapons. Every item I purchased was exactly as described, or better, and worth the money.
Whenever I receive the Sandata weapons catalog (authentic Philipine/Indonesian weapons) I go to the section for incomplete or damaged weapons. This is where the bargains are, if you like to work on blades. I enjoy restoring them with a traditional look, but modern strength and materials, so they can be user/trainers instead of wall hangers.
I believe they are still snail-mail only. Here is the address:
Kris Cutlery
2314 Monte Verde Dr.
Pinole, Ca. 94564
Phone= (510)758-9912
90% of my Filipino/Indonesian weapon collection comes from Kris Cutlery/Sandata weapons. Every item I purchased was exactly as described, or better, and worth the money.
Whenever I receive the Sandata weapons catalog (authentic Philipine/Indonesian weapons) I go to the section for incomplete or damaged weapons. This is where the bargains are, if you like to work on blades. I enjoy restoring them with a traditional look, but modern strength and materials, so they can be user/trainers instead of wall hangers.
I believe they are still snail-mail only. Here is the address:
Kris Cutlery
2314 Monte Verde Dr.
Pinole, Ca. 94564
Phone= (510)758-9912
stdalire, it's been years since I've read Southern Muslim texts and Pinoy history. I tend to believe the text from Carlos Quirino.
Cecil Quirino, his son and owner of Kris Cutlery, also produced 'Crossing', which I partially saw. I should probably post more.
Re: Kris Cutlery, I got a chance to play with some of their stuff before they got on the Net. I have a 1/2" deep scar from one of their custom pieces. I might get one of their daggers.
Cecil Quirino, his son and owner of Kris Cutlery, also produced 'Crossing', which I partially saw. I should probably post more.
Re: Kris Cutlery, I got a chance to play with some of their stuff before they got on the Net. I have a 1/2" deep scar from one of their custom pieces. I might get one of their daggers.