Mustard patina--again

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When this and other "condiment patinas" were discussed, tomato paste and ketchup were suggested since they were "more acidic".

I sure that some of the condiments work because the food is acidic, or they contain vinegar, sometimes mixed with salt.

But the mustard that I patinated with doesn't have any vinegar--"mustard powder, salt, spices", and of course some water.

So what is going on? Is it just fancy salt water as far as the steel is concerned? I thought there was more to it than that.

Mustard, and related plants the Cruciferae release sharp tasting chemicals called isothiocyanates when crushed. Ally isothiocyanate is sometimes called mustard oil. These chemicals (stored in the plant as precursors) occur in varying amounts in radishes, mustard, horse-radish, watercress etc. You know the taste. Amount and which members of this related series of compounds occur determine the taste and "hotness". Adding vinegar stops the reaction that releases these compounds and stabilizes the degree of hotness. If it is not added a hotter condiment results. One reason why hydrating mustard powder gives a really hot condiment.

Isothiocyanates are corrosive to metals. In the presence of oxygen, the ultimate product will probably be iron oxides, but I'm not positive.

I mixed up some OLD wasabi (green Japanese horseradish) powder and tried that. It patinated. Even though it had lost a lot of it's heat because it was in the back of the cupboard and a few years old. So horsradish alone is enough. Fresh stuff should work pretty fast I think. It had a different texture than the mustard, I got fewer, bigger peaks when applied and I got a different pattern. More like lots of rings.

Any way, the stuff that makes mustard taste hot is probably what's creating the patina.

The chemicals that garlic and onions release when crushed aren't isothiocyantes, but they are also corosive to steel. Crushed garlic or onions or their juice will probably patinate just like the mustard.

Onion slices might even create a pattern of concentric rings.

And you were told not to play with your food.
 
If hot peppers work, I doubt it will be due to the capsiacin which provides the hot taste. There might be other stuff in the juice that works.

The stuff in mustard and the other stuff in the onion family is pretty reactive--the plants store it in a derivitized or protected form. An enzyme cleaves off the compound as a reaction to cell injury. The sharper the knife used to cut onions the the less the eyes water, because fewer cells are damaged.

Chipotles in adobo suace is cheating :)

The sauce has tomatoe puree and vinegar.

Very tasty stuff though.
 
mmmmmmmmmmm, wasabi. darn it, think I might have to go to sushi place for lunch tomorrow now. :)
 
How about apples, apple juice and apple cider? They'll all stain carbon steel chef knives, be interesting to see what can be done on purpose.
 
Mangoes put an immediate, very black stain on my Okapi. Will try that, and let you know in the morning.
 
NEW FETISH

After getting my meds refilled for another 3 months I come home to this. Which reminds me about my new fetish I wanted to tell you about.

It's made of carnelian, 1" tall by 1 1/2" long BY 1/2" thick. They also had them in some greenish stone, in water or cape buff ( not sure which ), hippo, rhino, and something else I don't remember. The rhino I got is caramel color, and fairly detailed for it's size. no mistaking what it is. On any of them. At three bucks, it looks to me to be worth about as much for your money as a Bura 18" siru for $60. I saw a slightly larger Buddha in jade in another rock shop Saturday that they wanted $35 for. It had better workmanship , but not that much worth.

Time for meds.
 
Well, either I misremember what a mango does to carbon steel, or the mustard/ketchup etch I put on the Okapi this past weekend really works. I slathered pulp from a rather questionable mango on the blade and left it overnight. Didn't leave a BIT of stain.

I was rather underwhelmed with the results of the mustard, etc, etch before I saw it's durability. Now I like it a lot.
 
I just cut one last night with a carbon steel trapper. I'll have aonther at lunch tonight and see if if I can't get the spey blade more uniformly dark. Wish I had a DC.

Frank
 
made a noticable difference. I'll have apple #2 when the lunch truck comes at 7:00. This time I'll make sure the whole blade gets it. Last night the "tip" of the spey blade was almost untouched.

Frank
 
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