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It's been said that the kz2's are considerably thinner than the kztt's. Just how much?:
(taken from the cutting edge towards the spine at the center of the sweet spot, where you are mostly likely to hit wood while chopping)
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The kz2, being a production blade, has a more "robust" edge, but the main grind is taller than the kzTT and is a more shallow convex. The test team version goes from edge to full thickness in just over an inch, where the kz2 is just over an inch and a half. Even though the kz2 is thicker stock then the test team version, it's blade is thinner at the center of it's height.

The shape of the kzTT is closer to a ganga ram where the kz2 is closer to a dui chirra (if you were to even out the fullers).

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as big as it might seem to people who aren't used to khukuries, these are actually middle of the road in the 18" khukuri range. they are heavy for their thickness because of the exposed (and full thickness) handles, but they aren't very blade heavy by comparison to your average nepali khukuri. It's not uncommon for ang khola's like the one shown here to be 3/8"-1/2" thick. With a hidden tang they are WAY more blade heavy than the kz's.
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The handle change is very interesting. The primary difference is that the kz2 is designed to be griped in a forward or backward grip, and it's meant to roll in the hand as you chop. The kzTT is designed for one rock solid grip that doesn't roll very much, despite the big curve towards the pommel.

If you look at the group shot you'll see that the palm and finger swell on the kz2 are about even, an both are more severe than those of the kzTT. The kzTT has an almost flat back, and it's finger swell is very broad. The distance between index and pinky is shorter and the curves at each end are more severe, this means that for someone who has medium or large hands like me, you get one grip and one grip only. It's meant to move a little in your hand during chopping, but not much. It's a really solid grip.

The kz2 on the other hand is leaner and straighter looking, the distance between index and pinky is longer and the curves at each end less severe. This means you can shift your hand up or down almost a full inch. that might not seem like much, but bringing your hand closer to the blade by an inch makes a HUGE difference in the balance of the blade, it feels much more neutral in a forward grip. The palm and finger swells make a ball in the center on which the handle rotates, as the knife comes up and goes down, the hand naturally extends the pinky on the upstroke and brings it in on the downstroke, creating a hand-based arch on top of the arm-based arch.

I'm not sure if this is the standard but on my kzTT the index and pinky finger positions on the spine are shaved down a lot. the thinnest part of the handle is on the spine side at the index finger position. I don't know why :confused:. The finger side is pretty consistent in it's thickness. The kz2 doesn't have that thinning at the spine side, it's much more square at all edges, it's like holding onto a square with it's edges rounded off, instead of a smoothed oval shape. Another big difference is that on the kz2 the handles are much thicker at the ricasso and pommel. I don't think it effects the weight to much, but it does allow you to grip farther forward or backward, and it gives more of a "guard" at both ends.
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One big downfall of the kz2 handle slabs: sharp edges. If you choke back be prepared to have this part of the handle bite the crap out of your palm.
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The kzTT is nice and tapered at all corners, with the handle pattern rolling over the edge. It makes for a very pretty and very smooth feeling handle, but it gives less of a gaurd effect compared to the kz2.
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The machining patter on the kzTT is very smooth, nice oval cut outs. The kz2 is kinda sharp quilted diamond pattern. Once I take some sandpaper to the flats of the kz2 it won't nbe nearly as bad. The pattern is a matter of preference, I like both of them. The kzTT is definitely less likely to give you blisters though.
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The tip on the kzTT is thinner than the kz2, not just from the satin convex treatment - the kz2 has the now standard grind feature of production blades from busse combat, the grind shortens as it comes to the tip making for a thicker 'stronger' tip.
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The kz2 is more refined in design, but the kzTT is more refined in finish and handle treatment. I love the kzTT handles, I wish they would replace the fusion handles. It overcomes the two primary problems I have with the fushion handles: to severe of a palm and finger swell, and not tall enough of a pinky grip.

People have complained that the kzTT is to heavy and to fat, I would love to get a custom shop grind down of mine to make it thinner BUT... it's not actually that big, and it's not that crazy thick. Once you've gotten into khukuries you get used to some pretty crazy grinds. It is more of a heavy bruiser than the kz2, but I like that about it.

The kz2 is much closer to an 18" ang khola when you choke up on the handle a bit. it's more neutral balanced yet it feels like it weighs the same amount. It's got at thinner primary grind that is also taller. BUT... them handles. With the more severe palm and finger swells and the square handle slab treatment it simply isn't as comfortable as the kzTT's handles. It allows for a greater range of function, but will be harder on my hands when using without gloves.

It's a fine example of how something in the same class and size can be so unique and different in the hand, five 18" ang khola's from the same maker based on the same pattern will handle differently in use based on blade grind, weight, and nuances of handle size and shape.
 
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and chopping? :D

it's weird but I like more the KZ 1, the "Busse signature handle" looks much better with the blade shape. I mean the recurved end.
I've read that the handle was not optimal for chopping but still the KZ 1 looks better that the 2 IMHO.
 
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Great write up LVC .... :thumbup: Any chance of a weight comparison ???

kzTT = 2lb 5.6oz
kz2 = 2lb 1.4oz

18" ang khola = 1lb 14.4oz
B11 = 1lb 1.4oz

basic 11 feels like a featherwate compared to the other 3 :D

I'll be honest, I probably won't get to use these on anything for a good long while, so this is just a visual/in hand review. There are some great in use reviews of the kzTT to go by. The kz2's handle actually reminds me of the fusion handles, except with a straight back end that isn't as thin. If you like the nmfbm it will probably be more to your liking than the kzTT as it shares more similarities with it.

Think of it as a longer, heavier nmfbm with a slightly higher (and thinner) grind :eek:
well... sorta. If someone gets a chance to do an actual group shot with this set of models it would be awesome:
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I have similar before and after measurements for my Garth reground TTKZ. Will get up a post eventually. :rolleyes:
 
Great LVC. A great education for someone like me who thinks Khukuries are in the vegetable section. Thanks.
 
Great write up and photos!!!!
Between what you wrote and the pictures I have no more questions about the KZII. Except chopping performance but I think that it will EXCEL there.
Thanks for the time you invested!!!
 
test team vs. fusion handles:
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The fusion handles have the same severe palm and finger swell as the newer kz2 but without the length. It's meant to be able to roll in your hand, but it doesn't give your hand the birth on each side to be able to do it comfortably. The handle I made for the ang khola 2 years ago is basically the same shape as the TT handle except with a flatter pommel on the palm side and it's completely round. It's what I tend to think of as the "natural" hand shape, with the palm and finger swells appropriately off set and not so severe as to bite into the hand.
 
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I just picked up my KZII from the sorting office .... it's 10.00 pm here so ambient light has gone for photo's .... and will post some tomorrow .... but on first impressions with the smooth grips in black linen micarta they feel more or less as LVC has described .... but how they compare when using the blade for a good while will be the litmus test ....

If I were to pick up on points made when test team comments were made .... much was said of the benefits of a traditional khukri handle for chopping and the rocking motion claimed to be specific to a khukri handle which would improve it's ability to chop .... for my 2 cents .... I used a traditional khukri for 20 years in the forces and found that the rocking technique could be used on most knives we used .... the Golok was a good example ... and similarly the TTKZ handle and the new handle can both be used with the same technique .... and at first blush I am tempted to say I am likely to prefer the TTKZ handle in a similar prefernce to LVC .... but until I use both I cannot say for sure .... however they are both excellent handles so there is no issue of a "problem" .... just a bit of personal preference ..... although the testing of the two models together will be a highlight in enjoyment of my Busse experiences ....
 
I think the only in use problem I'd expect would be from the palm side of the pommel. If I find that it's to upswept after using it for a while I will probably see is garth would take off the rear lanyard hole and curve it down. I think it would be perfect if it went straight out instead of sweeping upward.

But, I could be wrong. It may not be an issue at all and aid in chopping control :confused:
 
I think I will like the KZII handle better. The downward sweep of the Fusion handle on my FBMLE tends to feel like it wants to slip out of the hand. I have used it for a while, and always use a lanyard, but have never had it slip out my hand yet.

Excited to try the KZII.
 
Great review, i have been wondering if the KZ2 differed greatly in weight and size. I hope Jerry comes through with the "substantial" TT discount he was talking about!!!!
 
Great review, i have been wondering if the KZ2 differed greatly in weight and size. I hope Jerry comes through with the "substantial" TT discount he was talking about!!!!

Forgot about that ...:confused: ... I just had to pay £113 for the duty on the KZII .... that's $150 in dollars or there abouts .... I think I have mentally blocked out the duty on the TTKZ :eek: .... some discount sure would have been helpful :thumbup:
 
I'm probably overkilling this thread with photo's, but I want to show in images what I was talking about earlier

I kept these as seperate images because if you open them in two tabs or save them in the same folder you can go back and forth and see the differences better than putting them side by side
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The kz2 is designed to be able to 'roll' in the hand without hitting anything, the palm side of the handle is a big wide open space:
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where the kzTT is really designed to be solid in the hand, the two arrows show where the hand its something when rolling the blade back and forward during a swing:
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The kz2 also lets you move your hand up and down without being too uncomfrotable. In the down position I'd want to sand off the corners of handle slabs cause they are pretty sharp :eek:
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kzTT: uncomfortable and uncomfortable. Your gripping a weird shape in both positions, it's really meant to be grabbed in that one middle position.
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