My 2x48 Multitool to 2x72 conversion

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This is how I converted my 2x48 Multitool grinder into a 2x72. I've seen some conversions before, but I wanted to keep the round profile at the top wheel for contouring and I also wanted the fexibility to swap from a 2x48 to a 2x72 belt without having to unbolt anything. It is just square tubing bolted horizontally to the Multitool's mounting plate. I then added another small arm to the end to allow for adjustment to which a 2" idler wheel is attached. Some washers help line things up. I also made a small tool rest with some pieces of angle iron. Simple, but it works good and now I can finally use 2x72 belts.

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I think if you follow that build idea you will want to do it much sturdier. Kudos to R.C.R for his ingenuity, but there is a lot of room for flexing in that build.

Your money will be far better spend building a kit 2X72 grinder or buying a basic chassis like the Reader or other units and adding a lower cost motor and VFD. That way you will have a full power and function grinder and you can build/add arms, contact wheels, and accessories as you wish in the future. It will be 100 times the grinder of the converted multi-tool above. Total cost should run around $1000 including motor and VFD.
https://reederproducts.com/shop?olsPage=products/rps101-grinder-chassis
 
R R.C.Reichert doing my homework before I dive into a grinder. Are you still using this setup? Any thoughts after a few years with it?


I still use this set-up. It works great and I have ground out a lot of blades on it. There is no flexing, this set-up has proven itself to me to be very sturdy. The ONLY downside is that the belt runs fast because it is on a bench grinder. If I could slow it down, it would be perfect.

I guess it would be nice to have a bigger tool rest on there...but it still works, just takes getting used to. This was my inexpensive alternative when I was unable to get a Grizzly grinder to Canada.

BTW, the tool rest is very sturdy as well and easily adjustable.
 
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I think if you follow that build idea you will want to do it much sturdier. Kudos to R.C.R for his ingenuity, but there is a lot of room for flexing in that build.

Your money will be far better spend building a kit 2X72 grinder or buying a basic chassis like the Reader or other units and adding a lower cost motor and VFD. That way you will have a full power and function grinder and you can build/add arms, contact wheels, and accessories as you wish in the future. It will be 100 times the grinder of the converted multi-tool above. Total cost should run around $1000 including motor and VFD.
https://reederproducts.com/shop?olsPage=products/rps101-grinder-chassis


It is quite sturdy actually. I have ground out big 1/4" thick bowie knives with this thing no problemo and nothing flexes or moves around when I grind. The high SFPM is the downside....takes some getting used to the fast moving belt, but it sure removes steel in a hurry, lol.
 
It is quite sturdy actually. I have ground out big 1/4" thick bowie knives with this thing no problemo and nothing flexes or moves around when I grind. The high SFPM is the downside....takes some getting used to the fast moving belt, but it sure removes steel in a hurry, lol.

Thanks R R.C.Reichert and Stacy E. Apelt - Bladesmith Stacy E. Apelt - Bladesmith great to hear the different opinions on this option.

I’m mostly looking for something to do sharpening and small-to-medium repairs/regrinds in a tiny shop space. The 2x48 multi tool was recommended to me as a good option for that lighter duty work, but it’s always interesting to see what it would take to make the jump to a full 2x72 grinder.
 
I think if you follow that build idea you will want to do it much sturdier. Kudos to R.C.R for his ingenuity, but there is a lot of room for flexing in that build.

Your money will be far better spend building a kit 2X72 grinder or buying a basic chassis like the Reader or other units and adding a lower cost motor and VFD. That way you will have a full power and function grinder and you can build/add arms, contact wheels, and accessories as you wish in the future. It will be 100 times the grinder of the converted multi-tool above. Total cost should run around $1000 including motor and VFD.
https://reederproducts.com/shop?olsPage=products/rps101-grinder-chassis

I hadn’t heard of the reeder before. It seems like a great option, especially with the ability to add tooling in a simpler way than something like a Coote
 
Thanks R R.C.Reichert and Stacy E. Apelt - Bladesmith Stacy E. Apelt - Bladesmith great to hear the different opinions on this option.

I’m mostly looking for something to do sharpening and small-to-medium repairs/regrinds in a tiny shop space. The 2x48 multi tool was recommended to me as a good option for that lighter duty work, but it’s always interesting to see what it would take to make the jump to a full 2x72 grinder.

The multitool with the extension I made works great for hogging off material fast, but due to it's speed not the greatest if you are looking for more precision grinding. If you haven't already, I would suggest maybe checking out the 1x42 grinders for lighter duty sharpening and repairs.
 
The multitool with the extension I made works great for hogging off material fast, but due to it's speed not the greatest if you are looking for more precision grinding. If you haven't already, I would suggest maybe checking out the 1x42 grinders for lighter duty sharpening and repairs.
Thanks, the multi tool can take advantage of the newer grinders with Variable speed. Trick-Tools is now selling the multi tool with a variable speed JET grinder that goes down to 900 at 1 hp.

I spoke with some sharpening supply dealers and they strongly recommended the 2x42 multitool over the 1x42 like a Viel or Grizzly. No doubt that a 1x42 would work in my case, but I’ve been told that a multi tool 2x42 would be a more capable machine at about the same price.

I really appreciate your thoughts here. It’s a big topic with lots of options and no single right answer.
 
Thanks, the multi tool can take advantage of the newer grinders with Variable speed. Trick-Tools is now selling the multi tool with a variable speed JET grinder that goes down to 900 at 1 hp.

I spoke with some sharpening supply dealers and they strongly recommended the 2x42 multitool over the 1x42 like a Viel or Grizzly. No doubt that a 1x42 would work in my case, but I’ve been told that a multi tool 2x42 would be a more capable machine at about the same price.

I really appreciate your thoughts here. It’s a big topic with lots of options and no single right answer.


I ordered mine from Trick Tools with the Jet grinder. Wish they had the variable speed when I ordered mine.
 
It is quite sturdy actually. I have ground out big 1/4" thick bowie knives with this thing no problemo and nothing flexes or moves around when I grind. The high SFPM is the downside....takes some getting used to the fast moving belt, but it sure removes steel in a hurry, lol.
Nothing wrong with that grinder .If it track belts well if belt not slip on drive wheel it will eat metal in same way as best grinders on world ...only disadvantage with fast speed is that you can not use fine grit belts , ceramic glass as platen behind belt is what you can improve ,that will make lot of difference ....:thumbsup:
 
Thanks, the multi tool can take advantage of the newer grinders with Variable speed. Trick-Tools is now selling the multi tool with a variable speed JET grinder that goes down to 900 at 1 hp.

I spoke with some sharpening supply dealers and they strongly recommended the 2x42 multitool over the 1x42 like a Viel or Grizzly. No doubt that a 1x42 would work in my case, but I’ve been told that a multi tool 2x42 would be a more capable machine at about the same price.

I really appreciate your thoughts here. It’s a big topic with lots of options and no single right answer.


I definitely understand the urge to want to get a solid looking package at a decent price which is basically "plug and play", but I learned first hand the value of "buy once, cry once" when I went this route rather than just going the route of a 2x72" when I first started. The problem was that when I got it 8-9 years ago, the only non-DIY 2x72" grinder option was for the most part the KMG, or Bader etc, which were/are relatively pricey. The Grizzly was pretty much the only option for an entry 2x72. Coote was also an option, but I couldn't find much info about them at the time and more importantly I knew nothing about motors, VFDs, or wiring, so I figured the 2x48" Multitool on a "variable speed" bench grinder would be just about as good and also easier to get set up (for me).

I originally got their 8" contact wheel 2x48", which was right before they stopped offering them for quite a few years due to other people apparently experiencing some issues with it as well, although it looks like they just began offering it again so maybe they fixed them. So after a good bit of hassle and miscommunication due to having to deal with the situation through two separate Tricktools employees, I ended up exchanging it for the 2x36" attachment and hooked it up to my Porter Cable bench grinder which has an adjustable speed-dial of somewhere around 2000-3400 rpm, or thereabouts. I had all kinds of trouble trying to learn to grind on that thing, not only because it's stock platen is junk with regard to flatness (although I ended up adding my own O1 platen before ceramic glass platens were easy to find and in the right size), but also because the tracking is pretty bad and took a lot of messing around with to set it up in order to get the belt semi-centered with the tracking lever in the neutral position, which I still couldn't get quite right. The way it tracks the belt is by shifting/pivoting left and right the entire arm assembly with the fork that the contact wheel is attached to, and since the tracking wheel is directly above the platen, when it's tracked to either side it changes the angle of the wheel and messes with the belt's ability to ride flat against the platen since the wheel pushes it out a bit on the opposite side from which it's being tracked to. Also, there's really no way to adjust the belt tension, it's either all or none.

Anyway, their new variable speed Jet motor looks nice, and has a much wider speed range and goes slower than my bench grinder, but for the price of $800 for the 2x48" in addition to shipping + tax, I think you'd be much better off just spending a bit more and getting a proper 2x27" which you can continue to add attachments and upgrades to over time, especially since there are so many more grinder and accessory options available with a much larger price range than when I was in this position. The Multitool attachment can be nice for general grinding tasks like chamfering parts to be welded or for de-burring or general shaping etc, but not so much for accuracy, especially when it comes to grinding bevels and plunges. That, and you're also stuck with the setup it comes with since you can't add different grinding attachments and different wheel sizes to it over time in order to increase its versatility. Anyway, I'll once again recommend saving and spending a bit more to get a standard socket-arm grinder such as the Reeder mentioned above or similar and also even getting a cheaper VFD for even lower speeds than the Jet offers, which is much more ideal for sharpening and learning on, which you can also always upgrade later on down the road.

FWIW, I built and still use my NWG belt grinder which uses a 3 step-pulley system for speed changes, and even though it's not the most precisely built grinder and definitely not prettiest, it is far more useful to me than the Multitool, regardless of the belt or wheel size I had it in (i.e. 2x48" and 2x36"). Just my 2 cents though! Sorry for the long post, but I thought it might help if I shared my personal experience, headaches, and regrets I had with the thing in the context of trying to learn to make decent knives with it, but yours and others' mileage may vary.


Here's an older photo of my Multitool setup... don't mind the jacked up belt, I was just using it as a beater belt to grind some rusty "found" steels at the time lol:

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I spoke with some sharpening supply dealers and they strongly recommended the 2x42 multitool over the 1x42 like a Viel or Grizzly.

I have the Viel. I would recommend against that unit. Sounds like you already are headed away, but I know it gets recommended a lot for sharpening so I’m affirming that direction. Tracking on it is pretty subpar and just gets worse over time as the spring tension changes. The frame also gets in the way of making full use of the little platten. It was my “let’s not spend too much until I know I’ll stick with this hobby grinder.” Hindsight is 20/20 as they say.
 
Thank you so much C coldsteelburns and L lanternnate -

C coldsteelburns your post has more info on the multitool 2x48 than every dang review and youtube video on the internet. Seriously. There is no where else with that kind of honest info. You're right that I was thinking about a "plug and play" solution and that a 2x72 would be a better solution

L lanternnate - agreed on the viel. There are a couple other forums out there that seem to have adopted the Viel 1x42 as their preferred grinder for sharpening and light modifications. Once again, they take this small grinder that is supposed to be ready to go, and spend tons of time and money upgrading it to try and match the performance of a 2x72. Its like seeing someone spend thousands of dollars tricking out a Kia, why bother?
 
This is an iterating idea I’m looking to build a grinder son myself

I'm still using this grinder and I haven't had any problems with it. Sure I would like to upgrade someday, but this works well enough that I opted to spend my money on a new flintlock instead.

Such an old post though...
 
Yeah I am new to the site an have been searching with what Id like to do. eventually ill have to bite the bullet and build a2x72 lol
 
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