My BOB

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Maximil

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Hello everybody,

There is a long time that I read this forum. Now I want to participate too.
I'm French. Please excuse my poor English.

Since I Read the post about the BOB, I have mine always with me.
I've in a little metal box:

- Kraft paper
- pencil
- 3 meters of little cord
- 1 condom
- coton
- matches
- 3 candles (2 that you can't blow out)
- band-aid of different size
- 2 "polaramine 1g" anti-staminic
- 2 "aspegic 1g"
- 1 bag of tea
- 1 mini lighter Bic with scotch around
- 1 magnet
- 1 little ring (metal)
- 2 safety pin
- 2 paper clips
- 1 fingernail cutter with nail file
- 1 mini compass
- 3 "colrings"
- 1 coton shank (for ear)
- sugar
- disinfectant
- mini light red led

Plus in my shoulder bag, a Victorinox SAK (with lens, needle-and-thread...), mini white light, Fisher space-pen, latex gloves and a "leaf mask for insufflation" (first aid), a pack of cotton handkerchief

I know it's not complete: I don't have a whistle, a wood saw, a hack saw, and something to desinfect water. :(

Do you thing it's good or enough ?
I can't have a good folder knive on me 'cause it's not allowed in France.
 
I might have concern about the magnet affecting the compass, maybe reversing polarity.

Some of the items I don't recognize, but that could be your equivalents of our products.

Nice start.
 
About the problem of the compass, one is at the opposite of the other to reduce the problem (10cm between them, and it's a little magnet so it affects but very little).

Ask me for the items you don't recognize: perhaps I don't write the good english term.
Thanks. :)
 
Maximil, votre "English" c'est tres bien.

Here are the ones I don't know, but will guess.

-- "polaramine 1g" anti-staminic -- anti-histamine, for allergies??
-- "aspegic 1g" -- asprin-like substance?
-- little ring (metal) - split ring, like for keys? What purpose?
-- "colrings" -- sais pas

(I hope this is right..LOL. Been many years since high-school..)
 
Bah c'est pas trop mal pour un début ;)

Pour stériliser la flotte: iode (betadine) 10%. Ça se vend en petites dosettes de 5ml maintenant. Idéal.

Un sifflet: t'en as des pas chers dans tous les magasins de plein-air. Prends-en un sans pièces mobiles. Sinon tu trouves un petit tube de métal et tu fabriques ton sifflet toi-même...

Oublie pas les essentiels...

- thermorégulation (vêtements adaptés, plus poncho/veste de pluie -- surtout dans ton coin, désolé ;) -- , bandana et feu)
- hydratation (au moins un récipient, et de quoi purifier : gourde, bandana et iode)
- bouffe (vire le sucre, à moins d'être diabétique, et prends des sucres lents et des fruits secs)
- premiers soins (t'as l'air d'avoir couvert le sujet pas trop mal...)

Cheers,

David
 
I carry magnet because it can be useful to take something (with iron) where the hands can't go or to put smthg (paper by exemple) near a door (it's an exemple too).

- "polaramine 1g" is an anti-histamine
-- "aspegic 1g" is an asprin-like substance
-- little ring (metal) - split ring, like for keys: yes: I find it's useful. And you can have a metal shank if you uncurve it.
-- "colrings" <Moine :Si tu peux m'aider>. Little piece of plastic, you can bound something with it but you cannot unbound it. It's used in electricity,electronic, gardening... It's often black or transparent, in different sizes.


Merci Moine pour l'info sur l'iode. Sinon je cherche un sifflet couleur fluo et à Rouen c'est introuvable.

I've fire, but I can't have on me a recipient all the day. I've always food with me :) , and sugar !
For the first aid, I'm Initiator of first aid, so I think I'm ok. :D


What do you use as wood saw ?
 
Ah, colrings = zip-ties.

David, I can get about 1/2 of your post. Time and alcohol has either eliminated the 3 years of French classes or has them buried in the "black-out" section of my brain.

LMAO.
 
I'm sorry for those who can't understand French.

Moine: you write that to sterilize water, I have to take iode (betadine) 10%. But my druggist explain me that it cannot be use for this.
I've two choices: hydroclonazone (180 litres for 6 euros, equ of a stage 1) or katadyn stage 2 (100 litres for 18 euros).
What can I use ?

What do you use as wood saw ?
I would like to put pictures of my bob: how can I do ?
Thanks
 
Send me the pics and I can post. Please make sure they are under 100 kb.

I just wish I could recall more from high school, but it was the '70's.....

Mais, il a perdu. (is that right?? I know tense is wrong.)

Mike
 
ThatmGuy,

If you get half of the stuff I wrote there, it's probably because the other half is some sort of a french slang, which is not usually taught in schools... not even french schools ;)

It's good to see that some high schools still teach something else than spanish in the US!

Maximil,

Ton pharmacien connaît rien à l'iode alors. Y'a trois contre-indications, par contre:

- femmes enceinte (à mon avis tu risques rien ;))
- personnes allergiques à l'iode/fruits de mer (à voir)
- personnes avec des problèmes de thyroïde (idem).

Si tu fais pas partie d'un de ces cas là, tu peux y aller.

Tu mets 4 gouttes de bétadine 10% (bouteilles jaunes) dans un litre d'eau, tu agites bien, et tu attends 30 minutes. Si l'eau est trouble, tu attends une heure.

L'intérêt, c'est que l'iode peut aussi servir de désinfectant pour les blessures (mêmes contre-indications : femmes encentes, allergiques, prob. de thyroide).

L'iode n'est pas toxique à des concentrations de 4 gouttes par litre. Ça donne un goût bizarre à l'eau par contre... mais tu peux neutraliser ce goût (et le pouvoir stérilisant de l'iode) en ajoutant un petit peu de vitamine C (un bout de comprimé effervescent par exemple... mais APRÈS le temps de contact nécessaire).

Si t'as des doutes, demande un troisième avis.

Pour ce qui est des sifflets fluo, tu peux en prendre un pas fluo et mettre du scotch jaune autour. C'est ce que je fais tout le temps. Je prends en général le scotch isolant électrique jaune que tu peux trouver dans n'importe quelle quincaillerie (à côté du classique noir ;)).

Edited to add:

Wood saw: I don't like them, except for chainsaws and big wood saws for lumbering. I carry a big fixed blade (Camp Tramp) or a hatchet (Gransfur Bruks).

If you really don't want to use iodine, there are 3 things you can get in France, which is

- Chlorine derivates (pretty much useless as soon as your water is not 100% clear)
- Micropur level 1 (Silver Ions) : good against most bacteria, but doesn't do crap against viruses and cysts/parasites.
- Micropur level 2 : good stuff, but expensive, and not very good for health...

What I'm doing is that I'm carrying a little bit of each. In doubt, I use the strong stuff, but when I think the water is safe I still add some silver ions just to make sure.

Ciao !

David
 
Thanks to Thatmguy for posting my pics.

Moine: I'll ask more infos about iode...
For my yellow (or red) whistle, it's a good idea but Fox 40 sells them in these colors, so I try to found them.

"I carry a big fixed blade ": I can't have always with me a big fixed blade (or I use my home-made machete).

I've probably not enough space and money to carry micropur1, 2 and iodine. For an urban use, what do you prefer ?

In French: j'ai vu beaucoup de trucs pour allumer un feu qui ressemble à la base d'une clé en plastique noir avec un bout de métal rond (tube plein) que je suppose être du magnesium. Cela s'appelle je crois "swedish fire steel" ou un truc du même genre. C'est quoi exactement en francais et je peux trouver çà où ?Car dans les magasins, ils ne vendent du magnesium qu'en poudre ou à la limite en ruban. Peux-tu m'expliquer s'il te plait ?
Tu es "perdu quelque part dans les alpes" francaises ou suisses ?
A priori on n'a rien en revues et stages, concernant la survie, en France ?
Tu as quoi en BOB pour tous les jours ? (beaucoup de questions désolé :D )
 
About the compass and magnet. . .

Magnets work by having magnetic field lines that go out away from the magnet and affect things that are susceptible. There are basically two ways to protect things from magnetic fields, both of which suppress the field and keep it near the magnet.

The first way to shiled things from a magnet is to lay a piece of iron on the magnet in a way that connects each pole (north and south). Iron "sucks" the most of field in and channels it. The remaining field is weaker, and therefore less likely to interfere with nearby things. Steel is almost completely iron, so that works well. This also helps maintain the strength of the magnet. Both these reasons are why some magnets are sold with steel bars connecting the poles.

The second way is to use something that blocks the magnetic field. I have forgotten the physics of it, but nickel is a good magnetic field blocker. You can use stainless steel alloys that are high in nickel. Even though stainless steels are mostly iron, they are only very weakly attracted to magnets.

I would think that a two layer magnet shield, stainless over regular steel, would greatly reduce the chance of badness. Alternately, you could put the compass in a stainless container.

Just food for thought.

Scott
 
Thanks for your advice.
Perhaps I'll do better to remove the magnets from my BOB, but I find it's useful. (And you can recreate a compass easily if you have a magnets...).
I'm wrong ?
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Do you carry a poncho all days in your BOB ? It takes a lot of place and I don't see how to have one on me.
 
Maximil,

Fox40 : great whistle. Loud as hell. Some kids can't blow them, though. Too hard.

Micropur 1, 2 or iodine: I prefer iodine, as it's a multi-use stuff. Ask for the small 5ml bottles, they fit anywhere.

Swedish fire steels: c'est comme ça que ça s'appelle. Ça existe pas en France. J'achète les miens en angleterre sur internet. 15 euros, dans ces eaux là. Ça marche d'enfer, d'ailleurs ;) C'est pas du magnésium... le magnésium est allumé par ça, par contre (tu poses ton magnésium sur de l'amadou, tu envoies une étincelle, et hop t'as du feu...).

Revues et stages en France: essaie toujours http://www.davidmanise.com/survie (mon site). Je donne déjà quelques cours de survie, et je vais lancer mon école bientôt, si tout se passe comme prévu (je monte une assoce, en fait). Balance-moi un mail si tu veux. Je répondrai à toutes tes questions.

Mon BOB: j'en ai pas. Si je pars en voyage, je trimballe mon kit de survie de rando... j'ai tout ce qu'y faut là-dedans. J'ai toujours 3-4 bricoles dans mes poches, mais rien de bien méchant.

Sorry guys... end of the froggish interlude ;)

Ciao ;)

David
 
Something I was wondering about? What happens if there is another 9-11 and you have your car well fitted out with your bob and all your pet survival guns then the traffic on the highway boggs down at the checkpoint where the homeland security and National guard troops are checking the vehicles before they let them into the "safe" zone.

What happens under martial law, when they decide you ar'nt going past that check point with "illegal" stuff?

That stuff can be ANY firearm, knives with blades over 3 inches, ect..

The reason this came up, someone I know as an aqaintance, not a friend, in the little burg of Frederick Md. is one of the homeland security drones that is attached to work with the local authorities. He is an EMT but he is the last person who should be given any authority. Read Barney Fife here. He was talking about the plans to make the Frederick County fairgrounds an emergency refugee area in case of a dirty bomb in Washington DC or Baltimore.

He was going on about how the sheriffs office, Nat'l guard, and who ever else was there was going to confiscate any weapon comming into the "safe" zone. These people are stupid enough to be scary.

If the emergency was bad enough, and you had to make it to someplace safe, would you pack a, God I hate to say this, polliticly correct bob?

Should one these days pack gear that does not look threatening but is still usefull. For example; instead of a commandodeathdealingneck chopper, have a well built fixed blade that looks like a 5 or 6 inch kitchen knife. The old green river knife kept many a fur trapper alive. Instead of a pointy assisted opening knife, have a sak or two, (or three) spaced around in first aid kits ect..

I hate to have to think this, but in these weird times we find ourselves when do we admit it may be time to lower our profile and maybe not come up on someones radar. Someone's radar that may be very over impressed with there own authority?

What would you put in a bob if you knew you had to go through a check point?
 
Jackknife,

Just a thought: that wouldn't be a problem if you were not going through the checkpoint. Personally the last place I'd want to be is a "safe" zone where every darn sheeple in the county will meet up to beg and cry.

Cheers,

David
 
LOL ! :D :D

I don't see the problem: here in France, you have not the right to carry any knive.
So you have two solutions:
- you don't carry knife you go trough the checkpoint and in this case, you don't need for a knife....

- you carry a knife, you don't want to go to the checkpoint, and there is no problem.

So you have to choose now if you want (and if you need) a blade and a "safe" area.

You have another possibility: you can choose a little knife that doesn't look like a knife (exemple: knife in carbon, credit card knife, belt with knife dissimulated in, little SAK...). Personnaly, I carry every days a Vnox SAK. There is no problem when I am "controlled" by police because they don't see it (in my bag, at the bottom).
 
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