my current position on sog knives

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i`ve been using my graphite clip point half serrated flash 2 at work to cut boxes , strapping etc . i`m alawys getting "hey ,where your knife mate?" my colleague liked it so much that he gave me the money and i went and got him one . anyway it reignited my interest in sogs older designs , so i picked up a TF3 and a tigerstripe older seal pup. love that tigerstripe finish , but once again i ended up with the gay kydex sheath , so i got the sheath from my seal pup elite (nylon) , and put the tigerstriped older seal pup in there , and used the piggyback to hold the TF3 . it looked pretty cool . just thought i`d share. i do still like sog , i just don`t like some of the other new designs . i`ll be buying a seal elite if i get the chance though. i guess i`ll be buying more when i see some i like . the piggyback on the nylon seal pup sheath is also great for holding my leatherman new wave . my seal 2000 is my current feild knife and i`ve used it a fair bit . my seal pup elite is the satin plain edged version . anyway , thats my current stance on sog knives . any thoughts , feel free to post. my local knife shop has the tech bowie , and the daggert two , might check those out.
 
I agree completely on your views regarding SOG's sheaths. Kydex has got to go. Or, barring that, I wish leather and cordura sheaths would be offered as a factory upgrade.

I can't really fault SOG's designs, they still offer my all-time favorite I wonder which one that could be???;) I just wish they'd offer it in a much larger size.

...and a SEAL 2000 with a black TiN mirror finish,

...and a Tsunami with a more Japanese handle. (Much like the CRKT Hissatsu). Awhile ago, I saw a Tsunami that someone had extensively modified with a mirror polished blade and completely re-handled in wood/ rayskin/ cordwrap. It was stunning. The Tsunami has a gorgeous, elegant blade profile, and the traditional handle set it off perfectly.

...and a Sculptura with a ceramic blade.

...and a SEAL Pup with a beta titanium blade (and no blasted rasp back).
 
I agree completely on your views regarding SOG's sheaths. Kydex has got to go. Or, barring that, I wish leather and cordura sheaths would be offered as a factory upgrade.
Agreed.

I can't really fault SOG's designs, they still offer my all-time favorite I wonder which one that could be???;) I just wish they'd offer it in a much larger size.
Errr I wonder what that might be...?:confused:
Wait... The Pentagon?:eek: ;)
About the size, I'd reckon its just won't be the pentagon anymore if it is around 7inch like you've previously suggested in another thread. Less concealable, and not as maneuverable? But I wouldn't mind a better steel... say S30V or that Duratech stuff!
...and a SEAL 2000 with a black TiN mirror finish
Black mirror finish? Wouldn't that reflect light Very well?

...and a Tsunami with a more Japanese handle. (Much like the CRKT Hissatsu). Awhile ago, I saw a Tsunami that someone had extensively modified with a mirror polished blade and completely re-handled in wood/ rayskin/ cordwrap. It was stunning. The Tsunami has a gorgeous, elegant blade profile, and the traditional handle set it off perfectly.
There's a knife at my local gun shop with the pentagon handle, a serrated tanto blade coated in the same stuff as the SEAL 2000, is this the Tsunami? It comes without the box only the leather sheath, but the knife itself looks new! Should I get this?
...and a Sculptura with a ceramic blade.
Oooooo....
...and a SEAL Pup with a beta titanium blade (and no blasted rasp back).
Ooooo your suggestion just gets better, Vaako!:thumbup:
 
Bigocean said:
About the size, I'd reckon its just won't be the pentagon anymore if it is around 7inch like you've previously suggested in another thread.

It would still be the Pentagon with all the Pentagon's unique qualities, just a bigger Pentagon, still streamlined, with a lot more penetration depth and cutting ability. It's not that much of a leap. The Pentagon is already a 5 inch blade. Upping it another 2.5" would bring it into a full-size but very streamlined shape shared, at the moment, only by CRKT's Hissatsu.

As a design, however, a full-size Pentagon would have much better cutting abilities. Some knife people, outside of Spyderco fans, just don't fully appreciate the performance of a fully serrated blade. The Pentagon has more serrated blade length than most Spyderco knives and a conventional straight edge for fine cutting.

Concealment is a huge subject in itself. There's a number of things that make a knife really concealable, IMO. First, the knife's "footprint". The wider the guard, the wider the blade, the chunkier the handle, and the heavier, the overall knife, the harder it is to conceal.

Conversely, a knife with a minimal (or no) cross guard, a narrow blade, a streamlined handle, and a light weight is incredibly easy to conceal. The Hissatsu is a very good example of this. I know a couple of people who like the design and carry it concealed. Under regular city clothes, there's little, if any, "printing".

Why?

Because the knife is very streamlined.
Like the Pentagon.

Because the knife has an incredibly well-designed handle.
Like the Pentagon.

Because the knife has a narrow(er) blade.
Like the Pentagon.

Because the knife doesn't weigh that much.
Like the Pentagon.

So, with a good sheath set-up (even if it would probably have to be a Kydex one) comfortably carrying a concealed 7.5" blade with a streamlined profile is definitely possible. W.E. Fairbairn used to carry 7.5" dagger concealed and that was in the days "before kydex". He used to suddenly whip it out and scare the heck out of his studentsto boost their "situational awareness" too, IIRC. ;)

Maneuverability... I like the way you think! :thumbup: Well, in terms of length, 7.5" is probably reaching the near maximum in "CQB" (if you will) blade length. That's not just my opinion, but that of William James, the Hissatsu's designer. The man knows much more about the subject than I do and his credentials are impeccable. That length seems to be a near-max standard with knives designed by people with real experience. The Sykes Fairbairn had a 7" blade as did the V-42 stiletto.

Weight on a larger Pentagon wouldn't be a problem either, again thanks to the incredible design genius of SOG. The blade is .15 inches thick and a lot of blade material is removed to get the double edges. As such, the Pentagon weighs only 6 ounces. It's a very light, incredibly fast knife. I don't believe adding just 2.5 inches more and a bit to the handle would suddenly double its weight. :p Even if the blade needed to be thickened a bit to increase its lateral strength, it would still be an incredibly fast knife for its size.

A full-sized Pentagon would be a knife in a class by itself. Since the Hissatsu is a big success for CRKT, I'm betting a similar sized Pentagon would be an equal success for SOG.

...especially if SOG offers it in all-black and all desert tan versions. The same scary military contractor personnel who like the Hissatsu for what it is would probably go nuts over a full sized SOG Pentagon.

...and a SEAL 2000 with a black TiN mirror finish
Black mirror finish? Wouldn't that reflect light Very well?

Yep. Just like the Super Bowie. Just imagine how gorgeous that would look! That magnificent SOG blade, glimmering like a piece of black ice, combined with a flat black Zytel handle. Black on black in one piece, one reflective, one not. Tactical? Probably not. Who cares? :D

Okay, now for the most important thing.

There's a knife at my local gun shop with the pentagon handle, a serrated tanto blade coated in the same stuff as the SEAL 2000, is this the Tsunami? It comes without the box only the leather sheath, but the knife itself looks new! Should I get this?

If it looks like this, yes, it's a Tsunami.

Should you get it? Depends on what you plan to use it for, how much you like the knife, and how much the shop is charging. One thing's for certain, if it's got a leather sheath, it's "old school" SOG and those are very hard to come by.

My advice is to think it over for a good half a day and make a hard decision one way or the other ASAP. Because if you decide, "Yes!" then you should rush down there and buy it immediately. Not at the end of the week, not next pay day, but that afternoon.

...because there are guys out there who love the SOG Tsunami as much as I do the Pentagon. If one of them is on the road and happens to stop by that shop before you decide, that SOG Tsunami won't be there for you.

One thing though, if you DO decide to get it for your collection, really look the knife over before laying down your money. Make extra-certain the finish hasn't been scratched or the edge and point haven't been "touched up" a bit. Some gun shops take knives in as trades, etc. This knife did have a previous owner, so make sure his standards of maintenance are up to yours!


Apologies for the extra long post. How to get Vaako wound up: Just add Pentagon and shake well. :p
 
...any thoughts , feel free to post.
Sorry Mate, if Vaako and I have derailed your thread a bit, I hope you don't mind too much. Well, its good to know that you still give a "flying fark" about SOG!:p Brother, I too don't like some of SOG's recent products, just ignore them*yawns*
Good to have you back, mate!:thumbup:

It would still be the Pentagon with all the Pentagon's unique qualities, just a bigger Pentagon, still streamlined, with a lot more penetration depth and cutting ability. It's not that much of a leap. The Pentagon is already a 5 inch blade. Upping it another 2.5" would bring it into a full-size but very streamlined shape shared, at the moment, only by CRKT's Hissatsu.

As a design, however, a full-size Pentagon would have much better cutting abilities. Some knife people, outside of Spyderco fans, just don't fully appreciate the performance of a fully serrated blade. The Pentagon has more serrated blade length than most Spyderco knives and a conventional straight edge for fine cutting.

Concealment is a huge subject in itself. There's a number of things that make a knife really concealable, IMO. First, the knife's "footprint". The wider the guard, the wider the blade, the chunkier the handle, and the heavier, the overall knife, the harder it is to conceal.

Conversely, a knife with a minimal (or no) cross guard, a narrow blade, a streamlined handle, and a light weight is incredibly easy to conceal. The Hissatsu is a very good example of this. I know a couple of people who like the design and carry it concealed. Under regular city clothes, there's little, if any, "printing".

Why?

Because the knife is very streamlined.
Like the Pentagon.

Because the knife has an incredibly well-designed handle.
Like the Pentagon.

Because the knife has a narrow(er) blade.
Like the Pentagon.

Because the knife doesn't weigh that much.
Like the Pentagon.

So, with a good sheath set-up (even if it would probably have to be a Kydex one) comfortably carrying a concealed 7.5" blade with a streamlined profile is definitely possible. W.E. Fairbairn used to carry 7.5" dagger concealed and that was in the days "before kydex". He used to suddenly whip it out and scare the heck out of his studentsto boost their "situational awareness" too, IIRC. ;)

Maneuverability... I like the way you think! :thumbup: Well, in terms of length, 7.5" is probably reaching the near maximum in "CQB" (if you will) blade length. That's not just my opinion, but that of William James, the Hissatsu's designer. The man knows much more about the subject than I do and his credentials are impeccable. That length seems to be a near-max standard with knives designed by people with real experience. The Sykes Fairbairn had a 7" blade as did the V-42 stiletto.

Weight on a larger Pentagon wouldn't be a problem either, again thanks to the incredible design genius of SOG. The blade is .15 inches thick and a lot of blade material is removed to get the double edges. As such, the Pentagon weighs only 6 ounces. It's a very light, incredibly fast knife. I don't believe adding just 2.5 inches more and a bit to the handle would suddenly double its weight. Even if the blade needed to be thickened a bit to increase its lateral strength, it would still be an incredibly fast knife for its size.

A full-sized Pentagon would be a knife in a class by itself. Since the Hissatsu is a big success for CRKT, I'm betting a similar sized Pentagon would be an equal success for SOG.

...especially if SOG offers it in all-black and all desert tan versions. The same scary military contractor personnel who like the Hissatsu for what it is would probably go nuts over a full sized SOG Pentagon.
Interesting read, let's see what SOG has to offer in 2007... doh! I mean 2008...



Yep. Just like the Super Bowie. Just imagine how gorgeous that would look! That magnificent SOG blade, glimmering like a piece of black ice, combined with a flat black Zytel handle. Black on black in one piece, one reflective, one not. Tactical? Probably not. Who cares?
Alot of tactical folks LoL

Okay, now for the most important thing.



If it looks like this, yes, it's a Tsunami.
Yes exactly like that!
Should you get it? Depends on what you plan to use it for, how much you like the knife, and how much the shop is charging. One thing's for certain, if it's got a leather sheath, it's "old school" SOG and those are very hard to come by.
They are charging a outrageous price for it!!! It would cost around US$65.45, assuming 1 AUS$ equals US$0.77 LoL. It has a black leather sheath with the SOG logo, and I read that they were discontinued sometime around 1996?

My advice is to think it over for a good half a day and make a hard decision one way or the other ASAP. Because if you decide, "Yes!" then you should rush down there and buy it immediately. Not at the end of the week, not next pay day, but that afternoon.
Good advice, but the knife won't be there the next time I visit the shop.:(
...because there are guys out there who love the SOG Tsunami as much as I do the Pentagon. If one of them is on the road and happens to stop by that shop before you decide, that SOG Tsunami won't be there for you.
Those guys won't see it the next time they walk past the shop either. It right here in my hands!:D

One thing though, if you DO decide to get it for your collection, really look the knife over before laying down your money. Make extra-certain the finish hasn't been scratched or the edge and point haven't been "touched up" a bit. Some gun shops take knives in as trades, etc. This knife did have a previous owner, so make sure his standards of maintenance are up to yours!
It looks brand new to me! Surprisingly, there's not a wrinkle from bending/wearing to been seen on the leather sheath, and not a scratch on the coating of the blade. It doesn't seem to have been sharpened either.




Apologies for the extra long post.
I don't mind, I find it informative and interesting,not sure about the other 7-8x people who have viewed this thread but made no reply! :D
My apologies for the long reply.:foot:
 
Well, Sirgalant did say feel free to post. :p

Be careful what you wish for around talkative SOG fans. :D

During the fall, I built a 7.5 inch blade wooden prototype and used some cardboard to fabricate a molded "kydex" sheath. It was a far cry from the classy aluminum training knives out there but it was excellent as a "proof of principle". Eventually I snapped the blade practicing draw-cuts against cutting target. :o Still, I got a real sense of how a knife like that would move and and carry in the real world. It's everything the regular Pentagon is and then some.

So you bought the Tsunami, Big Ocean? If so, will it be a "user" or a "collector" for you?
 
So you bought the Tsunami, Big Ocean? If so, will it be a "user" or a "collector" for you?
Collector, mainly because they are hard to come by.
However, I'm planning on joining the Australian Army Reserves sometime this year, so it may see some use. But then again, I have other less hard to come by knives like the Seal Pup Elite to cover that.
its only a sog , use it mate
I would, mate! But its discontinued and its a tanto with serrations... I'd imagine its hard to even peel an apple with it! I reckon it was designed more for penetration and rope cutting. Two tasks, not on my list. btw, how's that Seal Pup with Tiger tripe coating? Is it coated in Tini tiger stripe pattern like the Pup Elite which I have?
 
its like deep black with deep grey, tigerstripe. still need to try out my busse heavyheart too. until i do `im enjoying beating the shit out of my seal 2000 :)
 
I like the Tsunami, but it would be vastly more useful as a plain edge.I would be in the order line for those.
 
SIRGALANT

Good to hear you still like SOG and recently purchased a SOG Trident folder. That is a really nice knife and glad you are happy with it.

The SEAL Pup knives have been shipping with the Nylon sheath for quite a while now, so you must have gotten old stock from the dealer. Send me an email with your address and I'll have a Nylon sheath sent to you.​

Vakko

Interesting thoughts on the Pentagon. I am going to pass them along to our design and engineering department.​

bigocean

Glad to hear you got the Tsunami. That is one heck of a knife and I think you should use it.​
 
Still waiting for Pentagon stock in South Africa. Appears that they are most popular. Could kick myself for not buying one easter last year.

My Tsunami is great for car carry and eating lunch.
 
my flash 2 copped a gutful of dirt at work today :( , i`ll wash it off tonight , then dry it , then tomorrow i`ll relube it with tac 2 chainlube .
 
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