My ebay success - a new hope to curtail the scams

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I don't know how many of you frequent ebay, but I'm constantly chagrined, and at times, just plain pissed off at the number of scam auctions and fake antiques being listed in the sword section.

I gathered a bunch of information off the web from many sources citing the fraud problem, and then spent a good amount of time scavanging email addresses that were in some way related to ebay. The last thing I expected was an answer.

I struck gold. A man named Rob Chesnut emailed me back and asked me to send him my contact info so he could call me. I was off work the day he emailed back (work email) so he got my home number from my ebay profile (I had included my ebay login for him - member since 1996) and called me at home to discuss the problem with me. I was in the middle of dinner, so we agreed he would contact me the next day at work.

Turns out Mr. Chesnut is the Associate General Counsel of ebay. He is a really stand-up guy, and in all honesty, too big a fish to be calling me. We spent a good 10 minutes discussing the problem and finally agreed on two points.

Point one: auctions from China/Hong Kong that are <$1 and charge exhorbitant shipping (Mr. Chesnut says anything close to $50 is too much) do not make ebay any worthwhile profit, and harbor scam artists. He agreed to pull any auctions/sellers that I sent him that met that criteria.


Point two, and this is where I originate a call out to the community: ebay has begun a program that enables select ebay users who are passionate about a category to band together to form a sort of committee that reviews auctions in their particular area of expertise. They currently have about 8 groups running now, including a stamp collecting group.

This group holds a not small amount of power. They, as a group, can review any auctions that are suspect. If the consensus is that the auction is misrepresenting the item in any way, the group sends an email to the sender detailing how the item is misrepresented and suggesting the seller change the listing to reflect the item's actual value/description. If the seller refuses, or ignores the email, the group contacts ebay and the item is pulled.

This offers an enormous potential to once again make ebay a good and enjoyable place to look for high quality collectables.

He has offered to create one of these groups for collectable blades. This is your chance. Tell everyone you know and post this message to any blade related forum you frequent. I am looking for a group of dedicated, knowledgable ebay users/collectors who want a hand in cleaning up the cesspool the collectables:knives has become. The group has to be a manageable size, so I am looking for the best and brightest.
 
Several people in
Chinese Swordsmanship @ Swordforum
have discussed this problem & try to inform/warn people

This includes top-rung experts on Chinese swords

If you don't get there soon
I'll try to post a copy myself in a couple of days


By the way:

Wow & Thanks.
 
Wow, that's extremely impressive on the part of Ebay. I don't know enough about blades to be able to participate myself, but I'm extremely impressed that they're willing to do this. I haven't checked yet, but if you haven't done so, you might post this in the GBU forum and in Bernard Levines forum. I'd love to see certain members here watching out for us. Good work wildman, great to know they're actually listening.
 
Actually I'm kind of hoping you guys who frequent other boards will carry the message. My interest in collectable blades is relatively new, and centers on khuks, so this is the only forum I'm active on.
 
Sir, you are doing a good deed for us all. Thank you so much.

Has the word been passed to Sword Forums? The eBay listings of Japanese swords especially are a real joke.

Tom
 
OK, I alerted Mark McMorrow of Sword Forums and our John Powell. If willing, they are logical members of a standards committee.

Tom
 
Wow, sounds good in a way but would have a downside,

That it requires no knowledge or insight on the part of bidders!

That Should put the prices through the roof as well!

As no risk means , not many more cheap deals or finds in amongst all the dross!.

Those with the most money will win, rather than those who have spent the time & effort to learn for themselves. :rolleyes:

I guess ebay have already spotted that one! :D

Spiral.
 
Wildman?

I would hate to have you mad at me. Very few folks do more than just bitch and forget. Nice of you to be so biblically vengeful for the rest of us. :D

Caveat Emptor doesn't always work.


Thank you, Sir. Folks like you make things better for all of us.


Kis


Uh, don't suppose we could get a 'rain of fire' or 'plague of locusts' descending on them?

justathought
 
Principle is great , I guess my concern would be the potential for an injustice to be done. The problem would be if the "experts were wrong" The amount of times folks disagree on even origins of edged weapons is legend. Keris, Dhas and Pihas are all examples of where disagreement on various points have been debated even amongst the "experts"
 
Rod?

eBay is still the final arbiter on pulling, so this just gives them a series of panels of experts to help spot and review frauds. If anything, it should reduce the misunderstandings, wouldn't you think?

I am very impressed that the Associate General Counsel took the trouble.
 
Kismet, I believe you are right! I am most likely being a bit pedantic. I think in reality the only real concern I have witnessed consistently is those that have been mentioned ex China.
 
Just a side note, I have looked at the postal rates on the website for HongKing postal service and a 1kg package is about 75.00 to ship by slow boat.
 
Just posted this thread post & links on Bernard Levines forum where the knife identification folks hang out.

Spiral
 
I can't hardly get over an upper echelon eBay VIP getting involved either!
I know I get frustrated as well as aggravated when I go to eBay and try to muddle through all of the bogus BS to try and find something that I might really be interested in.
Many thanks Wldmn for taking up the sword for us!:D
 
Alex Huangfu, Chinese sword refinisher and restoration guy, also posts listings of fakes on his webpage. He might already be part of this community.

Keith
 
Excellent news! Perhaps there is a light at the end of the tunnel after all. A cleaner EBAY would be terrific.

How can we help?

n2s
 
Well it looks like JP has moved in on this!


JPs post on sword forum!

Well Wldmn Conragrates for bieng a mover & shaker, even though I think it will push the prices of the good stuff up:grumpy: & be to the detriment off those who arent filthy rich :rolleyes:

In a few years time , I will be able to say," I remember when you could find bargains amongst the dross on ebay" " now its just like any other Bonhams or Christies auction house , with prices to match!" :eek:

Spiral
 
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