My Feelings About the Slysz Bowie...

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The Slysz Bowie just arrived in my mailbox, and I haven't been this impressed with a Spyderco since... well, ever. I'm a fan of the Taiwanese models, but the Southard, despite being a beautifully made knife with one of the best steels available and excellent fit and finish, just didn't work for me in terms of ergonomics. I prefer larger knives, so when the K2 and the Slysz Bowie came out, and a marketplace seller on Amazon.ca was selling the K2 for the ridiculously low price of 210$ Canadian (about 175$ USD), I didn't hesitate. The K2 is an awesome knife, with a huge CPM 10V blade that is razor sharp; it spyder-flicks open with a smooth, easy action, and has very nice stonewashed titanium and a unique faux-spherical polished standoff. But it's an eccentric design, to say the least, over 10-inches long but thinner than a Sebenza, only vaguely ergonomic, and with an eternally sticky lockbar that requires injecting steroids into your thumb to close (I'm kidding, obviously, it's not all that bad now that it's broken in after a few weeks; but it still sticks, and all the graphite in the world won't stop it... on the positive, it is an incredibly secure lock-up -- about 80%, due to the thinness of the profile and the tension on the lockbar).

While I do really love the K2, in all its massive, oddball glory, the Slysz Bowie hasn't required the same kind of parent-like unconditional acceptance. It's a virtually perfect knife. An excellent video by Solo's Knife Reviews pointed out the two minor questions related to the design -- a flat surface on the tang connecting with a round stop-pin, and thicker-than-usual bronze washers. Given how silky smooth the action was on mine out of the box (Sebenza smooth, without the grease!), I've already decided the washers are a positive, and the tolerances are pretty tight anyway. As for the former, while a rounded notch might have been better, or a flat-faced, D-shaped stop-pin, I don't think the pin is likely to flatten (creating theoretical up and down blade-play in the lock-up) any time soon. Even if it did, I don't see why I couldn't simply spin the stop-pin 90-180 degrees so it could hypothetically start flattening the other side. After those two minor-to-non-existent concerns, there's nothing to criticize. I would have preferred CTS-204P, I guess, but CTS-XHP is purportedly an excellent steel as well, a lower vanadium alternative to CPM S30V, S35VN, or Elmax. Like CPM Cruwear, PSF 27, Sleipner, and many other steels, XHP has been compared to D2 (or CPM D2, since XHP uses Carpenter's version of particle metallurgical technology), with better corrosion resistance. I've also heard it tastes like chicken.

The fit and finish on the Slysz is truly impressive. The Spyderco full-flat grind and long, distal taper are combined with a beautiful stone-washed finish; it has what looks like a transparent protective layer of something like cerakote (virtually identical to the Southard's stone-washed finish), giving it a glassy smooth texture that no doubt contributes to the smooth action as well. The blade spine has fairly 'passive' jimping (as opposed to aggressive jimping), but it does provide some traction when heavy pressure is applied. The jimping on the stylish G-10 backspacer, on the other hand, is very functional with minimal pressure, helping to offset the untextured ti surface. About an inch-and-a-quarter past the handle, the gentle angle of the Bowie profile leading to the point has been flawlessly radiused, a touch I particularly like. The stone-washed blade has been matched with stone-washed titanium handle scales, and the Taichung factory has once again nailed the details. While it looked similar to the K2 when I first saw them, the Slysz is a completely different species, expertly refined to justify the higher price. The contoured titanium, in contrast to the flat scales of the Farid Mehr design, is an expensive feature that only knife aficionados are likely to appreciate, and the same can be said for much of this knife's finer points. The lock-up is perfect, and unlike the K2, there isn't the faintest trace of stickiness. If comparisons are going to be made, the Slysz Bowie is clearly emulating the Sebenza, and doing a damn fine job. It might not be quite as good as Chris Reeve's crowning achievement, but at 55-60% the price, it is most assuredly 55-60% as good... maybe even 70%. That's high praise, I know, but I think it's justified.

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I have the k2 and love it...but it's got it's quirks that you laid out quite well.

Now I want the slysz Bowie even more.....
 
Yeah, the Slysz wasn't really one I was planning on getting; the size of the K2 immediately caught my attention, and the Slysz is quite a bit pricier, depending where you buy. Also, after seeing Ankerson's edge retention tests, and how well the CPM 10V blade on the K2 performed, that sold me -- a gigantic titanium handled folding-sword with a blade of indestructible super-steel! ;) Not quite, but I really like the simplicity and strength of the design. I had seen plenty of pics of the Slysz Bowie, but after a member talked about how impressed he was with it, and posted a few of his own photos, something kind of clicked, and I really wanted one too. Definitely worth the price, IMO.
 
Slysz bowie is a great knife. The only downsides for me are that for the price, I would like to see a super-premium steel, and I would also prefer a slightly meatier blade.
 
Slysz bowie is a great knife. The only downsides for me are that for the price, I would like to see a super-premium steel, and I would also prefer a slightly meatier blade.

I agree completely. If it was CTS-204P, I would never have hesitated. It's the same with the Rubicon. Spyderco puts an S110V blade on an FRN Manix 2, but then the Rubicon gets an S30V blade. They know better than anyone what a draw these exotic, high carbon/high vanadium steels are, so I'm not sure why they left two of their highest end, highest priced knives without more interesting, expensive steels. Spyderco fans already got over their prejudice regarding 'made in Taiwan' stamps, so it wouldn't hurt to pull out all the stops. I will say that CTS-XHP did seem more exotic not so long ago -- before Cold-fucking-Steel started using XHP on all their knives. 2000$ Peter Rassenti and Kirby Lambert customs have XHP blades, and the Marcin Slysz 'Techno' does as well. Some of the sheen has been lost in the interim, however. That said, it was absolutely worth the price, in my opinion. The contoured Titanium, the stonewash finish, the radiused blade-spine, the action and lock-up, everything about it is top-notch. But I can completely understand that someone can accept all that and still think it's over-priced.
 
I would rather have XHP myself. It's not just how exotic a steel seems, but how it behaves. XHP is great in that what IMO.
 
Kinda looks like a CRK and a Spyderco had a baby. Which is great bc those are my two favorite knife brands! How do you think it would hold up as a work knife that sees daily heavy use? Is the tip delicate like a PM or a little thicker?
 
Kinda looks like a CRK and a Spyderco had a baby. Which is great bc those are my two favorite knife brands! How do you think it would hold up as a work knife that sees daily heavy use? Is the tip delicate like a PM or a little thicker?

I'm not really sure. The tip is very fine, very comparable to a PM2, and it's not one of the wider blades out there. It wouldn't be the knife I'd grab to... cut open oil drums, or whatever. But I don't think it's delicate, either. It would hold up well if it had to, is my guess, but I haven't come close to putting it to the test. For comparison I took a couple pics; from left to right, you've got a K2, a Paramilitary 2, the Slysz Bowie, and a Sebenza 25.

20150516_022310.jpg I think the K2 has about the same size stock as the Slysz, and is a bit thinner than the PM2, which is just another aspect of its general weirdness.
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No it doesn't!
What a horrible thing to say about a Spyderco! If anything the Slysz bowie looks like a cross between a K2 and a Lionsteel.

I kind of like the 'Spyderco Sebenza' comparison, myself, but the K2 + Lionsteel is a good one; the blade has kind of an SR1 profile, as well as the contoured titanium. No Roto-lock, thankfully.
 
I would rather have XHP myself. It's not just how exotic a steel seems, but how it behaves. XHP is great in that what IMO.

That's true, and XHP is a fine steel, by most accounts. But I've had nothing but good experience with M390, and I think its a very 'well-behaved' steel, myself ;) . CTS-204P is identical to M390, and I've liked it on the Southard and ZT 0392, but -- again -- I haven't put those knives to the test. I prefer vanadium steels for their superior edge retention, but there's obviously other criteria to judge a steel's overall quality by, like sharpenability (that might not be a real word), something CTS-204P or S110V aren't known for. A lot of people by-passed the Slysz for the K2 because of the CPM 10V... I did, anyway. Still -- in this case I prefer XHP to S30V, mainly because I haven't tried it before.
 
I kind of like the 'Spyderco Sebenza' comparison, myself, but the K2 + Lionsteel is a good one; the blade has kind of an SR1 profile, as well as the contoured titanium. No Roto-lock, thankfully.

Another glaring point is Spyderco has collaborative models with both Farid and Lionsteel. CRK has always been boring ass proprietary exclusive just like CrApple.
 
I'm not really sure. The tip is very fine, very comparable to a PM2, and it's not one of the wider blades out there. It wouldn't be the knife I'd grab to... cut open oil drums, or whatever. But I don't think it's delicate, either. It would hold up well if it had to, is my guess, but I haven't come close to putting it to the test. For comparison I took a couple pics; from left to right, you've got a K2, a Paramilitary 2, the Slysz Bowie, and a Sebenza 25.

View attachment 544199 I think the K2 has about the same size stock as the Slysz, and is a bit thinner than the PM2, which is just another aspect of its general weirdness.
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Thanks for the comparison pics! I broke the very tip off my PM2 cutting a thick hose at work that I didn't know had a metal wire inside :grumpy: So Im always looking for a tough framelock to use at work that can be easily cleaned and operated with one hand.
 
I love the thin grind, blade shape and tumbled finish. I found the handle to be a little too short for my hand, I just couldn't get used to it unfortunately.
 
I love the thin grind, blade shape and tumbled finish. I found the handle to be a little too short for my hand, I just couldn't get used to it unfortunately.

If that's the case, you might want to look at the k2. Handle is proportionately massive. As long as you're good with a sticky lock, that is.
 
If that's the case, you might want to look at the k2. Handle is proportionately massive. As long as you're good with a sticky lock, that is.

+1! :thumbup: Even Shaq would find the K2 handle plenty big...
 
Another glaring point is Spyderco has collaborative models with both Farid and Lionsteel. CRK has always been boring ass proprietary exclusive just like CrApple.

Yeah, that too... :D Now I get your earlier reference about comparing CRK and Spyderco's... I thought for a second you thought he meant CRKT -- that really would be a horrible thing to say. ;) Spyderco works with an awesome assortment of custom makers, and that's been a key to their success -- strange, effective, original designs. Reeve has gone another way, making a small line-up of models with a huge variety of options, allowing him to refine those models and establish a quality control that is the best in the industry, or at least in the top three.

I don't think Chris Reeve has anywhere near the world-munching, Galactus-sized ego of the hypocritical and soon-to-be-beatified douchebag known as Steve Jobs (I shouldn't speak ill of the dead, but... meh). Reeves doesn't seem to make an issue when other makers use the R.I.L., while Spyderco have to clear every use of the hole. They seem to be good about letting other makers use it, though, so it's not a criticism. I've heard that Benchmade, on the other hand, are ready to claim any idea they can as theirs, and are ready for court at the drop of a blade ;) (unless you're Russian, named Shirogorov, and legally untouchable). I had thought the Sage 2 was a 'tribute' of sort to Reeves, and assumed his relationship with Spyderco was amicable. He doesn't collaborate a lot, but Bill Harsey co-designed the Green Beret and Pacific, and the Hawks collaborated with him on the Ti-Lock.

Bottom line, I guess, is that he doesn't release many new designs, but when he does, he uses his own manufacturing team. Why not, seeing as how they've won the 'Blade Award for Manufacturing Excellence' 13 years out of 15; I respect Reeve in the same way I respect Glesser, as the two most important knife-makers of the last thirty+ years. I could say that Sal should collaborate on designs for the Reeve line, but I wouldn't, because he's got his hands full, and he's an apex knife-maker... so is Reeve.

I do agree, though; I wish Reeve would consider opening things up a bit. Why not do a collaboration with Jake Hoback, a premium production Kwaiback or A-15? Even better, what about a Reeve-Rassenti production SNAFU, making a 2000$ knife at CRK, a highest-quality production version, priced at a much more affordable 600-800$. Now I'm all excited about an idea that will never come to pass...

EDIT: When I made the above comment about a Reeve-Rassenti midtech, I was kidding, and I had NO CLUE Spyderco was making a version of the Rassenti Nirvana -- as an integral... I have never looked forward to a knife release more! Thank you, Sal Glesser, Peter Rassenti, et al!

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Thanks for sharing your feelings sikal. I really like what I have been hearing about the slysz. I will try one out eventually.

I have never tasted cts xhp I guess I will have to check it out to see if it does taste like chicken.
 
Been very happy with it so far! It falls within the 3 to 3.5" blade length which is in my edc size range & has never failed to disappoint. Aside from the blade shape, fit & finish ..it handles so well too!
 
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