My Fiddleback inspired project

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Ever since I got hooked on fiddlebacks, I started to wonder about the knife making process, both what went into it and what it would take to make one. I really had little to know idea what was involved. I started to get little glimpses into the process through some of the sneak peaks and other pics from the shop. I also started looking online a little and ran across some of Dylan's great videos. Finally, Mist posted the epic Road to Fiddleback Friday post and I got a much clearer picture.

A few months back I picked up a 1x42 kalamazoo sander/grinder for various projects. I know most people don't use a 1x42" grinder to make knives but I though what the heck, might as well give it a try. I ordered some 01 tool steel and gave it a go. Even though I had figured out some of the steps involved the actual how to do it was still a mystery. I had done very little grinding up to this point. As I wanted to focus on making a knife and not designing one at first, I used one of my all time favorite knives as a basic template, the Fiddleback Arete. I modified the handle and the tip some. I hope that this is alright and that I am not infringing on any copyright laws. I promise never to sell this knife (for more reasons than that of course).

It was a fun journey and I learned a lot. I made at least a thousand mistakes, but ended up with a knife that is functional.

Here are some pics from the journey.

I tried using my bandsaw with a good metal blade but it was not up to the task so I had to cut it out with an angle grinder.

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This pic is from my initial grinding on the 1x42. I ended up bringing the grind higher up later on.


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I ground it down to about a dime's thickness at the blade and then I was ready to harden and temper. I looked into sending it out for the heat treating but I really wanted to do as much as I could myself. Not to mention I didn't want to wait. When I got the 01, I thought I just needed to bring it up to non magnetic and then quench in oil. The more research I did, the more I ran across folks saying it actually should soak at that temperature for at least 15 minutes. Oh well. I just decided to give it a try and see what happened. It was just for me anyways so if it failed, no biggie. So I made a mini forge that was powered a mapp gas torch. It got the blade to non magnetic in a few minutes. I tested with my funky magnet on a fire poker I made. It was non magnetic to about mid handle. I quenched in canola oil that I had warmed up with a hot piece of rebar. After the quench, I tempered in my oven at 400 degrees for one hour, twice. I think I probably should have tempered at a little higher temperature as it came out pretty hard. I was going to use hand files for some of the post tempering work but that wasn't going to fast.



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I glued together a forest green and ghost jade g10 liner to a black linen micarta. It turns out the ghost g10 liner didn't really do much because you can't even see it is there. You can hardly see the green but I like subtle. I used loveless bolts and a 30 minute epoxy to hold it together. I screwed up the handle so many times it is amazing it turned out. I didn't have an 8" wheel to shape the handle so I used the free part of the belt on the 1x42 and a rasp. I wore a good respirator for this part and the rest of the grinding after using the angle grinder.

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Here is a picture of my "shop" and the tools I was using. The biggest challenge for me was the one sided "platen" on my grinder. It made it very difficult to grind the two sides evenly. I put platen in quotes because it might not even qualify as a platen. The base plate also is interrupted by the motor as you get away from it so I had to raise it up. My wood solution was not great and it was very hard to get the spine square. I reground it about 100 times because I kept messing it up. I thought I was going to end up with a runt in the end.

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Here is the final product. When I put it next to a Fiddleback it makes me crack up. It is like putting a go cart next to a sports car. Andy's work is insane and now I know much more what a great piece of craftsmanship we are getting when we buy his knives. I would like to continue to make so more knives, but doing this did not quench my appetite for fine fiddles. I do wish there were more folks out here into making knives. I hope to some day visit the fiddleback shop and get to see the masters in action, maybe ask a question or two. I have quite a few questions now that I tried to make a knife.

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Next to my inspiration, an absolutely beautifully ground Arete.


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That knife turned out great! I wish my first looked that good. I really dig the blade shape. Keep it up man.
 
I think you pulled off a fantastic knife for your first try. I've learned so much from the knife makers I follow on Instagram that I'd really like to try sometime as well. I can only hope i'd do as well as you did. :-)
 
Dude, you made a knife that makes some sweet curls! Nicely done Tod! I think it turned out great. Thanks for all the details on the process.
 
That's some great work, the knife looks awesome, Tod! I will check the hardness of your steel if you're interested to know what it's coming out at, we have four Clark Hardness Testers here in the shop.
 
Wow! Outstanding work Tod!! Seriously, very nicely done. Thanks for posting this.
 
Great work. I've never gotten as far as doing the heat treat myself and like you I hate grinding handles. Makes one appreciate Andy's work even more.
 
It really does make you appreciate how much effort and attention to detail goes into making a quality knife.
 
Very well done on a first try. Nice one brick forge and you'll find that it will work just as well as a big one for that size blades. I've used a similar one to forge and heat treat. 01 is a great choice for a first time heat treat since it is very forgiving of small errors. It will actually air harden to the point that it becomes non drillable without carbide bits. The soak time at temp isn't critical for your project, but worth doing if possible. Problem with a forge is that you run the risk of over heating and getting very large grain growth, particularly at the tip, and a weak blade. Better to err on the side of just non-magnetic. You may want to try tempering 01 up to 450 for a 57-58rc value. At 400 it may end up a bit brittle for everyday use. Just a few thoughts for our next attempt and I'll bet you do some more!
 
Very cool man. I am in the process of building a shop and can't wait to pick up a few extra tools so I can try my hand at knife making. It's something I have wanted to do for about 5 years and I think I finally have the opportunity to get into it.

This thread is pretty darn inspirational. Good job!
 
I'd say that's quite an accomplishment for a first effort. You'll have to start giving some thought as to what your Maker's Mark will be for those that follow. I have to believe there will be more :thumbup:
 
Oh and once I start, I would like to possibly trade techniques/idea with you. Thanks again for the thread.
 
Nice work. Only suggestion I have is that I took the upper guard off of my 1x30 harbor freight grinder and I often use the top wheel as a wheel platen. Not the best in terms of safety or longevity, but hey, I'm only into the grinder for about forty bucks. Thanks for sharing and it's cool to know others are inspired by the pictures and the process. Since pictures are cool, here's a repost of my little Runtish clone.

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I wish I would have worked a little harder on the finishing, but as you pointed out the desire to get it done is strong. Thanks for sharing!
 
That knife turned out great! I wish my first looked that good. I really dig the blade shape. Keep it up man.

That's a great knife.
Keep up the good work :thumbup:.

Great job man! You may have a future! Keep at it!

I'll take one! Very nice!:thumbup:

I think you pulled off a fantastic knife for your first try. I've learned so much from the knife makers I follow on Instagram that I'd really like to try sometime as well. I can only hope i'd do as well as you did. :-)

I think that looks great mate, well done!

Dude, you made a knife that makes some sweet curls! Nicely done Tod! I think it turned out great. Thanks for all the details on the process.

Thanks guys! It looks better in the pics than up close but it actually does work well so far. I can't say enough how much it makes me appreciate the level of craftmanship in Andy's knives.

That's some great work, the knife looks awesome, Tod! I will check the hardness of your steel if you're interested to know what it's coming out at, we have four Clark Hardness Testers here in the shop.

Thanks man! I might be interested to figure that out. I think it is on the harder end.

Wow! Outstanding work Tod!! Seriously, very nicely done. Thanks for posting this.

Great work. I've never gotten as far as doing the heat treat myself and like you I hate grinding handles. Makes one appreciate Andy's work even more.

Good job. :thumbup:

Thanks gentlemen!

It really does make you appreciate how much effort and attention to detail goes into making a quality knife.

Yes it does!

Very well done on a first try. Nice one brick forge and you'll find that it will work just as well as a big one for that size blades. I've used a similar one to forge and heat treat. 01 is a great choice for a first time heat treat since it is very forgiving of small errors. It will actually air harden to the point that it becomes non drillable without carbide bits. The soak time at temp isn't critical for your project, but worth doing if possible. Problem with a forge is that you run the risk of over heating and getting very large grain growth, particularly at the tip, and a weak blade. Better to err on the side of just non-magnetic. You may want to try tempering 01 up to 450 for a 57-58rc value. At 400 it may end up a bit brittle for everyday use. Just a few thoughts for our next attempt and I'll bet you do some more!

Thanks Rick! I appreciate the tips. I was trying to make sure to not overheat as I have seen what that does to the steel. I did end up accidentally grinding the tip off after heat treat and that may very well be why. It could also be my lack of skill on the grinder. For my next one I will definitely kick up the tempering to 450 as I do think it might be on the hard side. Thanks again for all the advice!

Very cool man. I am in the process of building a shop and can't wait to pick up a few extra tools so I can try my hand at knife making. It's something I have wanted to do for about 5 years and I think I finally have the opportunity to get into it.

This thread is pretty darn inspirational. Good job!

Oh and once I start, I would like to possibly trade techniques/idea with you. Thanks again for the thread.

Thanks! You should definitely give it a go and get your self set up with some good tools to do it. I would definitely be into sharing ideas and resources. I found lots of good threads here on bladeforums that definitely helped.

I'd say that's quite an accomplishment for a first effort. You'll have to start giving some thought as to what your Maker's Mark will be for those that follow. I have to believe there will be more :thumbup:

Thanks Peter! I am working on some more but it might be awhile before I want to put my mark on one of them.

Nice work. Only suggestion I have is that I took the upper guard off of my 1x30 harbor freight grinder and I often use the top wheel as a wheel platen. Not the best in terms of safety or longevity, but hey, I'm only into the grinder for about forty bucks. Thanks for sharing and it's cool to know others are inspired by the pictures and the process. Since pictures are cool, here's a repost of my little Runtish clone.

I wish I would have worked a little harder on the finishing, but as you pointed out the desire to get it done is strong. Thanks for sharing!

Thanks! That knife you made is great! Knife kits.com actually makes a horizontal finishing attachment that turns my grinder on the side and gives you a small wheel at the top to work with. A modified version of what you are doing with yours. It looks like it would be helpful but I am hesitant to dump more money into this one as I would actually like to get something better. There is so much I could have done at the end to make this knife better but at a point I just wanted to be done and play with it!
 
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