My first Busse

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I've been collecting knives for about three years. About a year into it, after doing a lot of reading, web browsing, and participating in innumerable chat groups, I started to understand which designer-makers were among the gold standards for combat knives. It's actually an exclusive fraternity. It goes without saying that Jerry Busse's knives are among that elite group.

For two years I lusted after a Busse Combat knife. I flirted with going a little downstream to Busse's Swamp Rat knives, which seem terrific, and I'm sure I'll acquire at least one eventually, but, let's face it, if you want a Porsche, you don't want a Mercedes, and if you went a genuine Busse, it's really that or nothing.

Recently, a Bladeforums gold member, whose handle is Idahoskunk, posted an ad for a Busse Camo Badger. The price was excellent. Heck, I'm just as broke as many members of this website, especially at this time of year. Nor was this a Christmas present to myself--at least I didn't think of it that way. It was the right knife at the right price. So, impractical as it may have been, I went for it.

Well, it was a huge mistake.

The knife arrived today. Totally new in the cardboard wrapper. I had never seen or held an actual Busse knife, mind you. I'm a thorough researcher, but nothing replaces firsthand experience. Before I had slid the knife out of its wrapper, I knew I was in trouble. I was in trouble when I first set eyes on the black linen micarta handle. And when I wrapped my fingers around it, the handle felt like it was custom-molded to my hand.

Then there was the incredible weight of the knife. I have small hands, and the Busse Badger, a midsize knife (4.5-inch blade, 9.5 inches overall), makes more sense for someone like me than, say, a Busse Steelheart, which is the size of a Bowie knife and approaches the size of a short sword.

This is a weighty, super-solid-feeling knife. It's beautifully balanced. The knife is gratifyingly weighty without seeming heavy. Because the knife is both weighty and balanced, it gives even someone like me, who was physically never a candidate for Force 10 Recon, an exquisite sense of control. I feel that I could deliver considerably more precise strikes in a self-defense situation than would be possible with lighter fixed-blade knives from slightly more downmarket manufacturers.

The quality of craftsmanship of the Busse Badger (and, presumably, Busse knives in general) is as evident as the postimpressionist artistry of Monet. Of course, unless you're a very weird kind of psychic, you can't simply look at a blade and know its metallurgical composition. And I'm sure others can better rhapsodize about Jerry Busse's recipe for the optimal blade steel, which he calls INFI.

The virtues of the INFI formula is that it produces a blade that is exceptionally durable in hard-use situations, holds an edge like it was a matter of life and death, resists corrosion by blood, oil, saltwater, and the various gunks of life, and takes to resharpening like a purring cat.

You'd think you'd need to read this to know it. That's what I thought. And I had read it. But when you hold the knife in your hand and feel its comforting, secure-feeling heft, when you run your fingers along the top of the blade (nearly a quarter-inch thick), when you run your thumb (gingerly) along the edge, which is razor-sharp, all this is silently conveyed. The knife reeks quality and durability in every way.

This is why I began this missive by saying that acquiring my first Busse was a huge mistake. Once you see and hold a knife of this level of quality, your consciousness is permanently raised. Settling for a lesser knife--those days are instantly gone forever. It's like: What on earth was I thinking about before? Of course, the typical Busse costs three times what I used to pay for a knife. Inexpensive Busses are not, and yet they can be had for attractive prices. Which brings me to my second mistake.

My second mistake was buying the knife from Idahoskunk, a gold member on this site. That's because he makes it so easy and tempting to buy from him. If you have a Busse jones, Idahoskunk is either a good person to contact or avoid like the plague, depending on how out of control your addiction is.

His real name is Scott and he's based in Meridian, ID. Scott sells Busse knifes on behalf of Busse Combat, via an online outlet store for discontinued styles.

(The word "discontinued" makes me wince. It implies something negative. Jerry Busse only offers two types of knives these days in a given year. They seem to be getting progressively bigger and more baroque. But previous Busse designs--the Badger, Steel Heart, Natural Outlaw, and several others--are classic designs that have earned their place in the history of combat cutlery.They are as out-of-date as a 1960 bottle of Chateau Margaux.)

Anyway, back to Idahoskunk. People who buy, sell, and love knives are an unusual group. They are among the nicest, most polite, most civilized, most honest people you would ever want to meet. No reason why this shouldn't be so. And yet it is exceedingly rare. Why here and not elsewhere? Who knows?

Idahoskunk fits this description to a tee. He's sort of like buying something from L.L. Bean. You know it's what you want at a good price from a company you can trust.

Well, that's not entirely true. Scott's prices for brand-new Busse Combat knives are generally substantially less than those offered by private collectors looking to unload the odd knife, he offers more different types of Busses in absolutely pristine condition (no "minor scratches from withdrawing a knife from a kydex sheath"--a roundabout way of saying the knife isn't mint) than anyone.

And Scott regularly has new Busses for sale in the "Exchange" part of this site. Most of the knives he offers, I figure, are available for $100 or more off list. This is even a bigger bargain than it seems. Ordering a knife directly from Busse Combat is expensive and time-consuming. But ordering a Busse knife from someone other than Busse Combat is usually even more expensive--because it isn't time-consuming. You pay a premium to get the knife now rather having to wait weeks or months.

Not with Scott, though. He offers instant gratification--and below-market prices--which should please your accountant or money manager if not your spouse. He also offers good communication. And--this is new--he now takes PayPal.

When I bought my Badger from him, I had to send him a postal money order, which was a royal pain to get. It's also kind of risky to send a money order to a total stranger. If he decided to screw you, there's not a heck of a lot you can do other than bay at the moon. This wasn't true of Scott. I never for a moment felt he would treat me other than professionally. But, still, I'm glad he now takes PayPal. It's so much more convenient. You can conclude the financial portion of your business instantly, which speeds knife delivery time.
 
Hey Stinky, how did you get your kid to write this thing? Man you really must have had to bribe him but good. :D

Hotwriter, welcome to the madness that we hogs like to call INFIction. You have been bitten and there is no hope for you, or your finances. I do hope you realize that what I wrote above was meant in jest. Scott and I have made many deals and I have never ever been dissatisfied. He is top notch as are just about every single person who comes here. He knows I am fooling with him. Hogs of high caliber is what you will find here. If you really want the experience, make plans to head for Atlanta in June, Scott will probably be there, I will be there, ThatHamguy will probably be there as will numerous others.

Again welcome and my condolances to your wallet. :D

Porkgunner
 
Well, I just went through the money order thing with Scott yesterday... The very same badger attack will be on its way to my home soon.. This will also be my first busse, and my antisipation is high. I own a few swamp rats and boy did that ever raise the bar for edged things.. I am afraid I have also been bitten, I was able to pick up an ARK during the extravagansaaaaa sight unseen... I think I am in trouble, I need INFI stat! :yawn:
 
hotwriter said:
makes more sense for someone like me than, say, a Busse Steelheart, which is the size of a Bowie knife and approaches the size of a short sword.

lol... "big" is a reletive term. there definitely is a limit to how big a knife can be, but as a "knife", i will say that the steel heart is reletively large as far as every day cutting tasks. but as a chopper, its very small.

examples (for comedy if nothign else) ((sans largest 43" one) most are himalayan imports):
handles:
very big (lenghwise, actually a pretty ergonomic handle for its size, a nice diameter being oval in shape)
http://mysite.verizon.net/res1udb2/...builderpictures/khukuries-43-gelbu-handle.jpg
big (a little to wide, as in way to wide for my hands, but not so wide as to be unusable. i wouldnt use it with any gloves that didnt ahve a grip texture on them)
http://mysite.verizon.net/res1udb2/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/30ak-handle.jpg
and im not going to say small, but reletively so. all handles are actual size when viewed at 1028x768
http://mysite.verizon.net/res1udb2/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/mojo-handle.jpg

blades -
heres a basic nine next to a few of the normal sized hi offerings. the one that is comparable in siize is the 15" sirupati - wich i ended up selling becuase it was in general to small of my purposes ( i stuck with the battle mistress). the basic nine is the same general size as a battle mistress, just a little longer then the steel heart.
http://mysite.verizon.net/res1udb2/...rpictures/khukuries-next-to-busse-basic-9.jpg

now, note where the 15" siurpati falls in this set of large knives from himalayan imports (sans the one in upper right hand corner, wich is from an unknown maker) (15" siru = far left next to the 2 very small kagas katnes)
http://mysite.verizon.net/res1udb2/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/khukuri-collection.jpg


and last but not least - bm on top of 30" ang khola. thickness of ak = 1/2". might seem excessively thick, but with how tall the blad eis, its very very sharp for its size (geometry wise). i intend to eventually make myself a 20" 3/4" thick ang khola when i have the means to buy the steel.
http://mysite.verizon.net/res1udb2/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/dsc03492small.jpg

"short sword" is reletive to how much handle of swords and large knives youve done :D. i keep the battle mistress as a general purpose large knife, but as a chopper, it is smaller then any things else i use, and honestly too small for any really chopping tasks (as far as i care to take it). i keep the 20" sirupati as a general chopper, for delimbing etc, and the 18" ang khola for heavier duty chopping, such as delimbing and small wood splitting.

of the big knives in that set, i kept thew katana, and the 30" ang khola (center). i kept the 30" for the sole purpose of log splitting i might someday find another purpose for it, but i doubt it.




so, it may seem like the steel heart is a huge massive chunk of steel thats unweildable for anything but chopping, but honestly its to small to accomplish major long term chopping tasks. its an excelent all around big knife, wich can accomplish chopping tasks when asked, expecially for shelter building and camp fires, and general delimbing of smaller branches.

but once you start doing a lot of chopping on 2" thick+, you'll quickly start finding yourself wanting bigger blades.
 
Hotwriter and Oni, welcome to the forums and the Wonderful World of INFI. I hope to see your posts of how those pups work out for you. Yes, INFI can be addicting, that is for sure.

Yup, Scott is a good dude to deal with, and to try and out pork at Fogo...

I will take exception with one thing that was said involving money orders.

If you use US Postal Service money orders, and the seller "screws" you, you file with the Post Office, and it becomes a mail fraud charge, and they are relentless on those. I know because I had a seller try to put one over on me, and the Post Master General's offcie set that boy straight in no time.

USPS MOs are very very safe.

Merry Christmas and INFI New Year.............
 
thanks a ton hotwriter, your words are to kind :cool:

welcome to the busse group and congrats on your new blade.

you are in very good company with this group of people, it has been one of the best forums, with friends that a guy could hope to be associated with.

so now that you took the bait and the hooks been set.....

which busse blade are you eye balling now :D it's still not to late to go seek professional help although i don't think a cure has been found for busse fever :)

merry christmas to you and yours!!
 
Hello everyone. My real name is Neil. I was delighted that so many people responded to my little paean to Busse Combat knives and to Idahoskunk who sells them. And so many posts made provocative, intelligent, thoughtful points. It's so nice to be here at last. Let me try to respond to each person who posted a reply in sequential order:

Progunner: Thanks for welcoming me to the forum and warning me that I'm on the road to a 12-step program for Busse knife addicts. I'm afraid I was already in the state of my finances being shot due to my knife jones before I even held my first Busse. Now I have no choice but to liquidate most of my current collection, which includes some excellent knives--but, alas, a Busse is a Busse and none of those knives are.

I'm also quite fond of Striders. I'm ecumenical. But not, unfortunately, economical. (Okay, that was a lame attempt at a joke.)

Of course I knew you were kidding about me being a relation of Scott's, but I tend to write passionately about my passions. One of my passions is knowing what things cost. I rarely buy anything without knowing the full range of prices at which it's available on land and online. As it happens, I often don't opt for the least expensive price. For example, I would rather pay a little more to someone I feel is trustworthy rather than going with the absolute lowest price from an iffy seller.

That's why I was so enthusiastic about Scott. For one thing, nobody can match him in range of offerings. He offers more types of Busse knives than anyone. I'm not even sure there is a number two. Nobody can touch his prices, either, and believe me, I know who is selling what for what. And he's good to do business with. I knew that before I ever did business with him because everyone says so.

I'm tremendously influenced by discerning public opinion. So I thought I'd throw my log onto the pile of accolades. It was really for the benefit of other newbies to this forum. I expect most of you veterans know Scott. But especially for someone just starting out, I think he's the best place to start.

Oni: I envy you. You're going to be blown away by your new Badger. It's a real beaut.

Bravado: Thanks so much for your words of welcome. Yes, I fear this addiction will be an adrenalin rush that's impossible to lick.

SethMurdoc: Hi Seth. You must be in the advanced stages of INFIitis. I was blown away by the time and care you put into your post. It was a real education, your photos were just splendid, and your erudition on the subject of blade size phenomenology was impressive and welcome. I felt your points were knowledgeable and well-taken. I learned a lot. You are a hairsplitter! I admire that. Nothing is simple. I'm a hairsplitter myself. Nice to meet you.

Dr. Thor: Congratulations on your new Busse purchase. It's a great feeling to own the best of something.

Thatmguy: I'm sorry to say that I had no idea that the US Postal Service actually stands behind money orders. Thank you for setting me straight. I can't tell you how many times I've put a money order in the mail wondering what could be done if the person I sent it to failed to do what he said he'd do. (Or she.)

Let me ask you this, though: How extensive is your knowledge of federal law regarding the interstate commerce in knives? My impression (I'm fairly knowledgeable about knife laws in general but not in this specific area) is that if a given knife is illegal to carry (but not to own) in a given state, and you try to import such a knife into the state, it's both a federal and state felony, both for sender and recipient.

The only reason this may be so is that there is no NRA for people like us.

Where I live, New Jersey, you can own whichever knives you wish, although 99 percent of them would be illegal to carry (let alone use for self-defense) unless you are on your way to or returning from a wilderness experience, and can prove it to the cop who wants to know.

However, if a knife is legal to own but not legal to carry, I'm pretty sure that the sale of such a knife and its subsequent transportation across state lines is illegal, since the assumption is that if you import a knife, you plan to use it.

Therefore, the knife must conform to legal-carry requirements. In these parts, that's "California legal" or a blade length of 1.9 inches or less. Well, heck, your thumb is probably longer than that.

So let's say someone rips you off on the sale of a Busse Badger. The blade is an illegal-to-carry 4.5 inches long--at least around here. It looks like what it is: a combat knife. You could talk about its many other virtues until you're blue in the face, but that's what it looks like to the outside world--a knife designed expressly for combat. It even says Busse Combat on the blade.

So what do you tell the post office folks when they ask you very specific details about what item it is that you're seeking restitution for? Especially since that item may quite possibly be illegal to buy by mail intra- or interstate in the first place.

That's why I still feel postal money orders are a risk. Now that you've enlightened me on the seriousness of trying to shaft someone who sends you a postal money order in good faith, I'm not sure that, in this instance, it's such a good idea to reveal to the post office the precise nature of the good you sought but never received.

Idahoskunk: Thanks, Scott. Merry Christmas to you, too. What Busse am I eyeballing now? Oh, you have an NOZT up on the exchange section of the site that's making my eyeballs spin in opposite directions. It's a work of art.
 
hotwriter said:
Where I live, New Jersey, you can own whichever knives you wish, although 99 percent of them would be illegal to carry (let alone use for self-defense) unless you are on your way to or returning from a wilderness experience, and can prove it to the cop who wants to know.

However, if a knife is legal to own but not legal to carry, I'm pretty sure that the sale of such a knife and its subsequent transportation across state lines is illegal, since the assumption is that if you import a knife, you plan to use it.

Therefore, the knife must conform to legal-carry requirements. In these parts, that's "California legal" or a blade length of 1.9 inches or less. Well, heck, your thumb is probably longer than that.
hi neil, and welcome!!!
i too am a jersey hog. (keyport)
i do not believe there is a written size limit on knives here.
i believe a "concealed weapon" is what is verboten.
this could be a nail file. or kubaton.
double edges are illegal to carry, as are switches and "gravity knives".
i regularly carry a badger in my front pocket with about an inch of handle sticking out (not concealed)
the old laying the blade across the hand measuring shtick the cops do is meaningless.
my theory is to not give the man a reason to search me.
i also always have a fishing pole and or some bowhunting gear in my car, so if i do have to defend myself in front of a jury i have a decent alibi. :)
can't hurt.
jody
 
Well, I am no lawyer. In my one experience with this, there were no questions about what it was, even though I volunteered that it was a USMC Bolo Machete. Nothin was said.

I could be wrong, but Iwould think that the onus of legal purchase is on the buyer. I don't know that a seller can be expected to be aware of 100% of the legalities of all locales in the US.

Enough of this heavy talkin. Time for eggnog and Wild Turkey....

Have a Merry Christmas!!!

OINK!!!
 
this is what a quick search got me. from www.obrpc.org/2c39.htm
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"Weapon" means anything readily capable of lethal use or of inflicting serious bodily injury. The term includes, but is not limited to, all (1) firearms, even though not loaded or lacking a clip or other component to render them immediately operable; (2) components which can be readily assembled into a weapon; (3) gravity knives, switchblade knives, daggers, dirks, stilettos, or other dangerous knives, billies, blackjacks, bludgeons, metal knuckles, sandclubs, slingshots, cesti or similar leather bands studded with metal filings or razor blades imbedded in wood; and (4) stun guns; and any weapon or other device which projects, releases, or emits tear gas or any other substance intended to produce temporary physical discomfort or permanent injury through being vaporized or otherwise dispensed in the air.
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i haven't checked any individual local laws. honestly don't care. :yawn:
i know that carrying my knives is not wrong, no silly law is going to change
that! :D
MERRY CHRISTMAS

porkacious
 
Okay, just read all that. :eek:

Regarding the laws, some hogs should come up to Alaska. Only knife law is no automatics. I can carry my mistress concealed if I want to :D

I use USPS M.O. too, thanks to Hammy. I have had great dealings with alot of guys on this forum. Haven't been bit yet :cool:
 
Here's the most important part of the actual New Jersey statute regarding knives:

New Jersey - Code of Criminal Justice

- 2C:39-3 Prohibited Weapons and Devices...

e. Certain weapons. Any person who knowingly has in his
possession any gravity knife, switchblade knife, dagger,
dirk, stiletto, billy, blackjack, metal knuckle, sandclub,
slingshot, cestus or similar leather band studded with
metal filings or razor blades imbedded in wood, ballistic
knife, without any explainable lawful purpose, is guilty
of a crime of the fourth degree.

- 2C:39-1 h. "Gravity knife" means any knife which has a
blade which is released from the handle or sheath thereof
by the force of gravity or the application of centrifugal
force... p. "Switchblade knife" means any knife or similar
device which has blade which opens automatically by hand
pressure applied to a button, spring or other device in
the handle of the knife... u. "Ballistic knife" means any
weapon or other device capable of lethal use and which can
propel a knife blade.

- 2C:39-4. Possession of weapons for unlawful purposes...
d. Other weapons. Any person who has in his possession any
weapon, except a firearm, with a purpose to use it
unlawfully against the person or property of another is
guilty of a crime of the third degree.

- 2C:39-5. Unlawful Possession of Weapons... d. Other weapons.
Any person who knowingly has in his possession any other
weapon under circumstances not manifestly appropriate for
such lawful uses as it may have is guilty of a crime of
the fourth degree.

- - e. Firearms or other weapons in educational institutions...
(2)Any person who knowingly possesses any weapon enumerated
in paragraphs (3) and (4) of subsection r. of N.J.S.2C:39-1
or any components which can readily be assembled into a
firearm or other weapon enumerated in subsection r. of
N.J.S.2C:39-1 or any other weapon under circumstances not
manifestly appropriate for such lawful use as it may have,
while in or upon any part of the buildings or grounds of any
school, college, university or other educational institution
without the written authorization of the governing officer
of the institution is guilty of a crime of the fourth degree.

- 2C:39-6. f. Nothing in subsections b., c. and d. of N.J.S.2C:39-5
shall be construed to prevent... (2) A person carrying a firearm
or knife in the woods or fields or upon the waters of this State
for the purpose of hunting, target practice or fishing, provided
that the firearm or knife is legal and appropriate for hunting
or fishing purposes in this State and he has in his possession
a valid hunting license, or, with respect to fresh water fishing,
a valid fishing license;

(3) A person transporting any firearm or knife while traveling:
(a) Directly to or from any place for the purpose of hunting or
fishing, provided the person has in his possession a valid
hunting or fishing license; or

- 2C:39-9. d. Weapons. Any person who manufactures, causes to
be manufactured, transports, ships, sells or disposes of
any weapon including gravity knives, switchblade knives,
daggers, dirks, stilettos... is guilty of a crime of the
fourth degree.

- 2C:39-9.1... Any person who sells any hunting, fishing,
combat or survival knife having a blade length of five
inches or more or an overall length of 10 inches or more
to a person under 18 years of age commits a crime of the
fourth degree...

New Jersey Case Law:
- "Concealment was not a necessary element of the offense of
carrying a dangerous knife." (1973)
- "Concealment of weapon at time of incident constituted
important factor of offense of possession of dangerous
knife." (1971)

Now, this law, and in fact most state knife laws, are purposely murky so that a DA can interpret them however. For example, is it a "lawful purpose" to use a knife for self-defense? The law doesn't say, but it seems to imply that the answer is No, since it does specify what is lawful, mainly carrying a knife to and from a hiking or camping trip. Notice, too, that the law was amended in 1973 to state that a knife didn't need to be concealed to be considered unlawfully dangerous.

There's a specific problem with this and other state knife laws regarding combat knives. I know and you know that many owners of Busse knives use them for everyday chores. Be this as it may, a Busse knife is a combat knife. It looks like a combat knife. It feels like a combat knife. And most Busses have "Busse Combat" imprinted on the blade. So if you get caught with one, even though you may be using it for a "lawful purpose," it still might be construed as an illegal purpose simply because of the nature of the knife.

This is what sucks about knife laws. They can mean just about anything law enforcement officers and DAs decide that they mean. About the best thing you could say about being caught with a Busse by a cop who decides the knife is being carried for an illegal purpose is that cops know a quality weapon when they see one and a cop is at least as likely to confiscate your Busse for his personal collection as he is to haul you into the station, although, in this instance, I'm not sure which is worse.
 
i'm sure glad we don't have a knife code here in idehow, now that would be a bummer..

MERRY CHRISTMAS ALL!
 
hotwriter said:
Here's the most important part of the actual New Jersey statute regarding knives:

New Jersey - Code of Criminal Justice

- 2C:39-3 Prohibited Weapons and Devices...

e. Certain weapons. Any person who knowingly has in his
possession any gravity knife, switchblade knife, dagger,
dirk, stiletto, billy, blackjack, metal knuckle, sandclub,
slingshot, cestus or similar leather band studded with
metal filings or razor blades imbedded in wood, ballistic
knife, without any explainable lawful purpose, is guilty
of a crime of the fourth degree.

- 2C:39-1 h. "Gravity knife" means any knife which has a
blade which is released from the handle or sheath thereof
by the force of gravity or the application of centrifugal
force... p. "Switchblade knife" means any knife or similar
device which has blade which opens automatically by hand
pressure applied to a button, spring or other device in
the handle of the knife... u. "Ballistic knife" means any
weapon or other device capable of lethal use and which can
propel a knife blade.

- 2C:39-4. Possession of weapons for unlawful purposes...
d. Other weapons. Any person who has in his possession any
weapon, except a firearm, with a purpose to use it
unlawfully against the person or property of another is
guilty of a crime of the third degree.

- 2C:39-5. Unlawful Possession of Weapons... d. Other weapons.
Any person who knowingly has in his possession any other
weapon under circumstances not manifestly appropriate for
such lawful uses as it may have is guilty of a crime of
the fourth degree.

- - e. Firearms or other weapons in educational institutions...
(2)Any person who knowingly possesses any weapon enumerated
in paragraphs (3) and (4) of subsection r. of N.J.S.2C:39-1
or any components which can readily be assembled into a
firearm or other weapon enumerated in subsection r. of
N.J.S.2C:39-1 or any other weapon under circumstances not
manifestly appropriate for such lawful use as it may have,
while in or upon any part of the buildings or grounds of any
school, college, university or other educational institution
without the written authorization of the governing officer
of the institution is guilty of a crime of the fourth degree.

- 2C:39-6. f. Nothing in subsections b., c. and d. of N.J.S.2C:39-5
shall be construed to prevent... (2) A person carrying a firearm
or knife in the woods or fields or upon the waters of this State
for the purpose of hunting, target practice or fishing, provided
that the firearm or knife is legal and appropriate for hunting
or fishing purposes in this State and he has in his possession
a valid hunting license, or, with respect to fresh water fishing,
a valid fishing license;

(3) A person transporting any firearm or knife while traveling:
(a) Directly to or from any place for the purpose of hunting or
fishing, provided the person has in his possession a valid
hunting or fishing license; or

- 2C:39-9. d. Weapons. Any person who manufactures, causes to
be manufactured, transports, ships, sells or disposes of
any weapon including gravity knives, switchblade knives,
daggers, dirks, stilettos... is guilty of a crime of the
fourth degree.

- 2C:39-9.1... Any person who sells any hunting, fishing,
combat or survival knife having a blade length of five
inches or more or an overall length of 10 inches or more
to a person under 18 years of age commits a crime of the
fourth degree...

New Jersey Case Law:
- "Concealment was not a necessary element of the offense of
carrying a dangerous knife." (1973)
- "Concealment of weapon at time of incident constituted
important factor of offense of possession of dangerous
knife." (1971)

Now, this law, and in fact most state knife laws, are purposely murky so that a DA can interpret them however. For example, is it a "lawful purpose" to use a knife for self-defense? The law doesn't say, but it seems to imply that the answer is No, since it does specify the what is lawful, mainly carrying a knife to and from a hiking or camping trip. Notice, too, that the law was amended in 1973 to state that a knife didn't need to be concealed to be considered unlawfully dangerous.

There's a specific problem with this and other state knife laws regarding combat knives. I know and you know that many owners of Busse knives use them for everyday chores. Be this as it may, a Busse knife is a combat knife. It looks like a combat knife. It feels like a combat knife. And most Busses have "Busse Combat" imprinted on the blade. So if you get caught with one, even though you may be using it for a "lawful purpose," it still might be construed as an illegal purpose simply because of the nature of the knife.

This is what sucks about knife laws. They can mean just about anything law enforcement officers and DAs decide that they mean. About the best thing you could say about being caught with a Busse by a cop who decides the knife is being carried for an illegal purpose is that cops know a quality weapon when they see one and a cop is at least as likely to confiscate your Busse for his personal collection as he is to haul you into the station, although, in this instance, I'm not sure which is worse.

just one remark to all that scary sh1t.
i'd BETTER be cuffed when that officer pockets my infi. for my sake. (:
don't get the wrong impression... i have all the respect in the world for law enforcement.
so...
lotsa deer on the parkway tonight.

jody
 
Hey Scott,

You're basically correct about Idaho knife law. In fact, the Idaho knife law, as written, should serve as a model for other states:

Idaho - 18-3301. "Every person having upon him any deadly
weapon with intent to assault another is guilty of a
misdemeanor."
- 18-3302. "If any person, excepting [officials] shall
carry concealed upon or about his person any dirk, dirk
knife, bowie knife, dagger... or any other deadly or
dangerous weapon within the limits or confines of any
city, town or village, or in any public assembly, or in
any mining, lumbering, logging, railroad or other
construction camp, public conveyances or on public
highways within the state of Idaho, or shall, in the
presence of one or more persons, exhibit any deadly or
dangerous weapon in a rude, angry or threatening manner,
or shall have or carry such weapons upon or about his
person when intoxicated... or shall [transfer] to any
minor under the age of sixteen years any such weapon
without the consent of the parent... shall be [fined or
imprisoned]; provided, however, that any person shall be
allowed to carry any of the above weapons in the places
mentioned above on securing a permit from the sheriff of
the county...

Idaho Case Law:
- "The right to bear arms may not be denied by the
legislature; it only has the power to 'regulate the
exercise of this right'; that is, among other things, it
may prohibit carrying concealed weapons, or prescribe the
kind or character of arms that may or may not be kept,
carried, or used, and various other things of a regulatory
character." (1937)
- "The right to prohibit carrying of concealed weapons falls
within the police power of a municipality and an ordinance
enforcing same is constitutional." (1945)
- "Instruction [to jury] as to right to bear arms not in
harmony with this section was properly refused." (1932)

This is one of the few state knife laws I've read that is reasonable, civilized, and constitutional. Most laws are based on the fact that the vast majority of incidents involving knives are altercations involving gang members. But since the laws are written very generally, they could apply to almost anyone.

Neil
 
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