My first s30v experience so far -

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Got my 3/32 X 1 X 36 inch bar of s30v last week. It actually measures 0.121 X 1.225 inch. I was told by Bruce at Crucible it would be a bit over sized. He did not stretch the facts.

The bar came looking as if it had not been ground, with a brownish finish as if it might look after cooling after being rolled. Not a problem since it had to be ground by me to the thickness I wanted. Grinding the length of steel I cut for a blade seemed time consuming. I took it down to aprox. 0.098 inch with a 4 X 36 alum. oxide belt. I spent a lot of that time keeping the thickness consistent and, as a result, did a lot of measurements. It ground rather well though.

Profiling the blade was rather easy by comparison. Not enough difference for me to tell from ATS-34. O1 may have been easier, maybe.

Flat grinding was a dream. I have gained experience since grinding O1 so I can not make a comparison to it. It ground not at all harder than ATS-34 and perhaps easier. The grain seems very small if judged by grinding marks. Four hundred grit looks good, much better than I have experienced with my last blades of ATS-34.

I decided, after studying their sheets and other things, to austenitize the little 6 3/4 inch bird & trout (0.020 edge) at 1975 F. for 20 min.. I equalized at 1575 F. for 8 min. while on the way up to the austenitize temp.. After cooling, I emmediately snap tempered at 400 F. for 2 hr.. Then dry ice aged for aprox. 24 hr. (the life of the ice), followed by a 570 F. temper for 2 hr.; then, after cooling, a final temper at 570 F. for 2 hr. 20 min..

(foil was used for the austenitizing)

Removing the discolorization with the 1 inch 400 grit oxide belt was like wiping milk off your mouth. One pass took about 80 percent away, leaving shiny 400 grit steel. I finished belt grinding with 600 grit.

So far I am pleased. A triangle file in the 1/4 inch tang holes skips all over the place. I can't check the edge until the knife is finished (tired of stitching myself up with band aids).

Thanks to recent posts by Rhino and L6 for swaying me toward the s30v. I am glad I am trying it regardless of its seemingly excessive cost.

Roger
 
RE: Oversized from crucible

I ordered 2 pieces from Bruce - nice guy. However, it took 6 weeks and I got the wrong size. The first order was lost in a computer glitch (I hate these things). The next order took a few more weeks. I ordered a 1.5" by .125" and a 1" by .090" bar. What I got was 1.5" by .130 and a 1" by .130.

What I find interesting is that mine were 'precision' ground (and paid dearly for it) and shiny on both sides. Very unlike yours, Roger.

I then ordered a bar from Admiral. Those were just sheared from sheets. For that I ordered 3/32" (.093) and got .130. But both sides brown as you described. However, I didn't care because I didn't pay for grinding.

So I hope you didn't pay crucible for precision ground stock!

(BTW: I found a friend that can precision grind mine for free. So, I'm hoping to get my 1x.090 bar that I tried to get in July, this week.)

Steve
 
Keep in mind, that Crucible sends the stuff out oversized for a reason. There are micro voids in the surface of S30V, and they recommend taking .007" off of each side to get below them.
I would rather get any steel oversized than right on the money. I have gotten 440C in the dim past that measured .188. By the time I had gotten the bark off, it was down to 5/32". That ain't good.
 
Mike,

See your point. Although I think .040 oversized is pretty wild for 'precision' ground. If I'm going to get variable sizes, why pay double for precision ground?

Actually I mentioned it because it sounded like Roger didn't get ground stock at all. Hope he didn't pay for it.

Steve
 
I'm still not convinced about the micro voids and the rusting problems. I just saw another piece that I had made several months ago with rust on it. The rust was only on the surface and brushed off with my fingernail but I didn't like it. 440C never does that.

And yes, I did take more than .007" off, in fact the rusting occurred on the spine of the blade just from humidity in the air. Also, my heat treat schedule is similar to the one described above so I know that is not the problem.

So, not trying to burst any bubbles just trying to make people aware that it can happen. :(
 
I don't know what I paid for yet. I was told the bar was 38 bucks. My C.O.D. was $60.91. They got me somewhere for more than it should have been. I have not received an invoice yet and wonder if I will.

Roger
 
Roger, if you have any questions at all, call them immediately. Don't let something like that stand. There might be a good explanation, then again..........???:confused:
 
Mike,

Oh, I will. I plan to get more s30v. I'll wait a few more days for an invoice to show up. I'll be calling Bruce back before long.

One thing I will do is order my CPM steel a 1/32nd thinner than what I want from now on.

Thanks; Roger
 
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