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My latest toy..

jasonp

jasonp

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My newest Spyderco...I like it so far.
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Vicious looking blade.
 
So close to hitting buy on this just a few moments ago, then the first post I see on here is this. Nice shot
 
bill_in_tx said:
So close to hitting buy on this just a few moments ago, then the first post I see on here is this. Nice shot
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It's a little limited in purpose but that being said, I've used it for many things outside what it was made for. I've been EDC'ing it since I got it.
 
From Spyderco's site:

Spyderco Civilian G-10

In the 1990s Spyderco was approached by a specialized branch of U.S. law enforcement about making a knife for their undercover agents. These plain-clothes LEOs found themselves in situations where they often could not carry a firearm but carrying a knife was not a problem. Most had no formal training in self-defense tactics or MBC but as a last resort could use a blade to protect or extricate themselves from a life-threatening situation. This was how the Civilian model came to be.

The Matriarch is based off the Civilian.
 
Gooeytek is right, I can't find the "Edge=U-Cation" sheet on the knife. I might have to dig through and find mine.
 
I recently bought a lil Mateiarch for a friend and got to play with it for a couple of days before he came and got it. It has a much less radical blade profile than its full sized kin. I think the lil Matriarch would actually make a nice and functional edc knife. Both of them are beautiful blades!
 
I'm glad my knife went to someone who could appreciate it better than I. Glad you enjoy it.

You take better pictures too. :)
 
cards94 said:
Not trying to be a wise guy but what purpose does a blade like that serve?
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Dear Wise Guy (kidding),
I'm not usually a fan of funky blade designs either. BUT I got to thinking one day about this blade. I'm a Law Enforcement officer. in 20+ years I've been in some bad situations (I won't bore anyone with the details). These situations make you think and ponder things and realize the need for preparedness. So, like may a knife nut on here, I'm always thinking about "what if's". I've been a firearms instructor since 1995 as well and have been to many schools and through tactical shooting courses. Some of those courses after listening to the instructor for a few minutes, my BS alarm started going off. Then after listening to some of them at length, their theories started to make sense. In short, I've accepted the fact that I don't know everything. On to the knife...

I've always thought to myself knifes do basically two things in a SD situation, stab and cut. To stop someone in a SHTF situation with either technique would require either serious skill or in most situations, serious luck. I've seen many men over the years, sliced and diced like Thanksgiving turkeys with meat literally falling of the bone casually walk into an ER. I myself was stabbed in the back with a Buck 110 with the full length of the blade (he actually left it in). I didn't even know I'd been stabbed until the affray was over. In short, while knives make a serious deadly force SD weapon, they're not the best at stopping someone FAST. If you don't stop someone fast in a deadly encounter, you might end up on the obituaries; so the faster the better. This doesn't always mean you have to kill them, you just have to STOP them. A common misbelief is that LEO's are taught, shoot to kill. In fact, proper instructors teach SHOOT TO STOP. Stop, means stop the threat.
Out of curiosity one day, I started reading about the theories on this knife (and the civilian). It obviously wouldn't make a good stabber so I initially thought it was naturally for the proverbial "mall ninja" with it's wicked looks.

Well, some reading on the subject and things started to make sense. There are a high number of Law Enforcement officers every year killed with their own weapons. These situations are collectively known in training as "weapons retention" scenarios; in laymans terms, preventing a bad guy from taking your gun killing you with it. This is often stems from a wrestling match and eventually a fight over the officer's gun; the guy who ends up with it wins, the other may very well die. There are many back-up options as a last ditch weapon. Some carry a back up pistol but some departments forbid it. So an officer is left with empty hand techniques, an ASP, spray, a nearby rock, a tree branch, a three stooges poke to the eyes OR if he/she carry's a knife as a tool, a knife. So if a bad guy gets a gun out of a holster, it is then a deadly game tug of war. If an officer has a knife, the option would be stab or slice his advisory. On reading the theories behind the designer of this knife, I think it makes some sense. The first SD rule an officer learns in the academy is, HANDS KILL. In a Life or death scenario as above and a bad guy and officer (or civilian) are wrestling trying to wrench a gun from your hand or holster, mechanically, he HAS to close his hand and arms to do so. He also needs muscle functionality to operate a trigger finger and needs biceps and triceps to fight. If his forearms muscles, hand muscles, bicep or tricep were severed (I know, kinda gory), mechanically things stop functioning correctly. If a bad guy can't close his hand due to muscle damage, he can't grip (or fire) a gun or even hold a knife/pipe/feather duster. While a regular knife such as an endura, ZT0560, hinderer, et al. could accomplish this task, a fully serrated blade shaped like the civilian/matriarch could in theory accomplish the severing of a muscle rendering it useless more efficiently. As far as the serrations, think steak knife...serrations make better steak knives. The shape of the blade fits the curvature of the human arm better in theory. I'm not completely sold on the idea yet but I'm warming up to it. If the goal would be to stab someone to stop them, this isn't your knife.

I've been testing it out a bit. I will say, the knife is insanely sharp, cuts like nobody's business and the wave opens faster out of the pocket than any other knife I own, save the waved deilca or a fixed blade. I'm tired so I hope this makes sense....Still testing....
 
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jasonp said:
Dear Wise Guy (kidding),
I'm not usually a fan of funky blade designs either. BUT I got to thinking one day about this blade. I'm a Law Enforcement officer. in 20+ years I've been in some bad situations (I won't bore anyone with the details). These situations make you think and ponder things and realize the need for preparedness. So, like may a knife nut on here, I'm always thinking about "what if's". I've been a firearms instructor since 1995 as well and have been to many schools and through tactical shooting courses. Some of those courses after listening to the instructor for a few minutes, my BS alarm started going off. Then after listening to some of them at length, their theories started to make sense. In short, I've accepted the fact that I don't know everything. On to the knife...

I've always thought to myself knifes do basically two things in a SD situation, stab and cut. To stop someone in a SHTF situation with either technique would require either serious skill or in most situations, serious luck. I've seen many men over the years, sliced and diced like Thanksgiving turkeys with meat literally falling of the bone casually walk into an ER. I myself was stabbed in the back with a Buck 110 with the full length of the blade (he actually left it in). I didn't even know I'd been stabbed until the affray was over. In short, while knives make a serious deadly force SD weapon, they're not the best at stopping someone FAST. If you don't stop someone fast in a deadly encounter, you might end up on the obituaries; so the faster the better. This doesn't always mean you have to kill them, you just have to STOP them. A common misbelief is that LEO's are taught, shoot to kill. In fact, proper instructors teach SHOOT TO STOP. Stop, means stop the threat.
Out of curiosity one day, I started reading about the theories on this knife (and the civilian). It obviously wouldn't make a good stabber so I initially thought it was naturally for the proverbial "mall ninja" with it's wicked looks.

Well, some reading on the subject and things started to make sense. There are a high number of Law Enforcement officer every year killed with their own weapons. These situations are collectively known in training as "weapons retention" scenarios; in laymans terms, preventing a bad guy from taking your gun killing you with it. This is often stems from a wrestling match and eventually a fight over the officer's gun; the guy who ends up with it wins, the other may very well die. There are many back-up options as a last ditch weapon. Some carry a back up pistol but some departments forbid it. SO an officer if left with empty hand techniques, an ASP, spray, a nearby rock, a tree branch, a three stooges poke to the eyes OR if he/she carry's a knife as a tool, a knife. So if a bad guy gets a gun out of a holster, it is then a deadly game tug of war. If an officer has a knife, the option would be stab or slice his advisory. On reading the theories behind the designer of this knife, I think it makes some sense. The first SD rule an officer learns in the academy is, HANDS KILL. In a Life or death situation as above and a bad guy an officer (or civilian) is wrestling with you trying to whack you with his or your gun, mechanically, he HAS to close his hand, operate a trigger finger, needs biceps and triceps to fight. If his forearms muscles, hand muscles, bicep or tricep was severed (I know, kinda gory), mechanically things stop functioning correctly. If a bad guy can't close his hand due to muscle damage, he can't grip (or fire) a gun or even hold a knife/pipe/feather duster. While a regular knife such as an endura, ZT0560, hinderer, et al. could accomplish this task, a fully serrated blade shaped like the civilian/matriarch could in theory accomplish this better with less effort. As far as the serrations, think steak knife...serrations make better steak knives. The shape of the blade fits the curvature of the human arm better in theory. I'm not completely sold on the idea yet but I'm warming up to it.
I've been testing it out a bit. I will say, the knife is insanely sharp, cuts like nobody's business and the wave opens faster out of the pocket than any other knife I own, save the waved deilca or fixed blade. Still testing....
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Well put, and thanx for your service.
 
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