My new Rough Riders, an ongoing commentary...

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First Impressions:

Last Friday evening, I placed an order for three Rough Rider knives. I wanted to see for myself what kind of knives these were and I figured the only way to find out was to buy some and see. Well they came in the mail today. Surprise, surprise, surprise!!!

So, what did I get?
1. Rough Rider Bark Pearl Stockman - RR-561
2. Rough Rider 3 Blade Congresss with brown jigged bone handles
3. Rough Rider Copperhead with jigged Stag Bone scales.

Since I got three different handle materials and three different types/patterns of knife, it follows that there will be different impressions associated with each of these knives. Some of the impression will be formed by the knives themselves and some by my own personal biases. I hope I can keep those factors appropriately separated for you as I go through this.

Since there are three knives involved, I am going to give them a "the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly" type presentation. I am overall pleased to see knives of this quality available at this price point. All three of these knives were between $8 and $12. All of these knives would satisfactorily perform the tasks appropriate to the size and style of knife that they are, so that is the single most important take away you should have from this review. You can stop reading now if you want; the rest is merely entertainment with some pictures and some additional commentary.

Let's start with the UGLY:

It seems odd to me, as it likely will you, that I am talking about a pearl handled knife with the term "UGLY" and it is not because the pearl itself is ugly, rather that the application of the particular pearl to the particular knife was not as good as it could have been.

The bark pearl is really just oyster shell (maybe clam shell) that has been cut into scales, ground to remove the roughest part of the exterior and polished. The appearance from a distance is not much difference from smooth bark stag. On this knife the scale on the pile side was about 0.080 In. thick and the scale on the mark side was about 0.195 thick. That made me disappointed with the knife to the extent that I have made contact with the vendor to return it for credit. I did take one photo to illustrate the mismatch.

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I might be just picky, but I can't change who I am. I don't like a knife that is wider than it is front to back. It feels funny to me and looks peculiar as well. Scale material itself is quite nice though. So it goes back tomorrow and I'll get another knife to evaluate in its place.

The BAD:

This little fellow had its work cut out for it to make me like it. I have never been able to warm up to the Congress pattern and I thought that I'd give it another shot with a knife that did not cost much, so I picked out the RR-376, 3-blade Congress pattern with blades in a whittler configuration. I figured that the whittler configuration (I like whittlers) might make it easier for me to give this little guy a fair shake. It is an interesting little knife being a 3-blade configuration. First a photo of the knife with blades open:

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It is configured with a sheepsfoot main blade on one end flanked on either side by identical pen blades on the other end. It is a split backspring, but not tapered. There is a brass spacer between the two pen blades to keep them in place. The blades nest perfectly with no rubbing and there is no significant side to side blade play with any of the three. They have done a good job here.

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The brown picked bone scales are well done and attractive and overall the knife seems to be well made, but I have a gripe - the main blade sits at a fairly large angle from the back of the knife when the blade is open. Since I am a fairly unaccomplished whittler and have never carried a Congress, this may be as it should be and I'm just all wet. What do you think about this condition as shown below?

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One other little complaint I have is that the nail nick on the main blade is partially obscured by the pen blade on the nick side. It's doable, but not as accessible as it should be. I hope the photo here shows it well enough.

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I will have to force myself to pick this knife up and carry it, but it is not a fault of the knife itself, rather that I just don't go looking for a Congress pattern to carry. Those little two-blade jack knives you guys have sic'd me onto have just won me over.... I hope I don't slight this little guy because of it.

The Good:

"and when she was good, she was very, very good"

This brings me to my last knife of the "First Impressions" post - a RR-159 Copperhead with jigged Stag Bone handles. I have to say that this is my favorite of the three patterns I purchased because of the pattern itself, but also because of the execution of the pattern in this particular knife. The physical size of this knife is right in my personal sweet spot of 3-5/8 in to 3-7/8 in. This Copperhead is almost identically sized to my favorite canoe (AVATAR knife) and it has the jack knife blade configuration I have become so enamored with. Here it is:

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Now a lot of makers produce Copperheads of this same size and I like them all, and this knife does the pattern full justice in my opinion. Blade shapes are perfect, size is perfect, finish is excellent and it was the sharpest of the three knives I bought. No wonder it wound up being my favorite of the bunch.

Here is a picture of the jigged stag bone. It isn't as nice as Queen's, but it is quite pleasing and the bone color is certainly not amber either, but it is pleasing as well:

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I really can't find anything about this knife to be unhappy about. Considering it at just over $8 US, it looks like a bargain. One more photo showing the back of the knife for folks that are into that sort of thing:

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Bottom line is "I like it, well done Rough Rider."

I do not want anyone to think that I am trying to find something to gripe about, but I think that if you are going to offer a natural scale material at a price premium, you should at least do as good a job on the scales as the rest of the knife (the UGLY).

Aside from that biggest complaint, I don't see any reason that a person that spends their money for a Rough Rider knife shouldn't expect at least a serviceable knife for daily use. I don't think they are as good as a $40-$60 Case or Queen, but they are very good knives for $8-$12.

I am looking forward to carrying and using these knives over the next few weeks/months and I will comment in this thread if I have something worth commenting about. Good or Bad. or Ugly.

I hope this has been worth your while so far.

Ed
 
Thanks for the input Ed. That Copperhead is mighty fine looking knife. When I scrape bit more money together, I might look one too, to test pattern.
 
I'll be interested to read how you get on with these knives Ed.

I recently bought 2 Rough Riders, Canoe and Medium Stockman, and so far they're holding up fine. Only slight gripe that i have is that on the Stockman the tip of the Spey blade rubs against the Sheepfoot blade, but they're everyday users not collectors so i can live with it.

Look forward to your progress reports.
 
re: the stockman and congress issues. the scales really do look wack on the stockman. almost as if a different person did each side. i have the same thing on my RR congress but it's not so bad that i won't use or carry it. i checked the blade in it's extended (open) position and found a similar blade angle as your congress. my RR whittler has a similar angle as well which becomes more noticable due to the belly of the blade.

what i'm most curious of on your congress is the split springs and lack of taper. i wonder if it will hold up to daily use? (i have a whittler pattern from KC that loosened up to the point that i no longer use). it's odd that there is no taper.... can you post a spine shot of your congress?

here is a spine shot of my RR whittler that is split and tapered.

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The overall quality and quality control have both increased over the last 3 1/2 years that i have been buying RR knives.
on ebay some sellers still list the 'older' ones, new in the box, and a few only sell the most recently made ones.
it's not easy to know which is which unless you've been following them closely.
The Pearl Bark handled knives first came out about 3 or more years ago and the 2 i have are the only 'not so good' RR knives i own.
of my app. 90 RR knives most have been bought from the same seller as i always get an excellent knife from him.
roland
 
what i'm most curious of on your congress is the split springs and lack of taper. i wonder if it will hold up to daily use? (i have a whittler pattern from KC that loosened up to the point that i no longer use). it's odd that there is no taper.... can you post a spine shot of your congress?

here is a spine shot of my RR whittler that is split and tapered.

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Well there's your problem right there. That backspring appears to be straight-up broken. Might account for the loosening up. :D
 
They are great cheap knives.I recently bought a genuine stag skinner and a stag stockman for about $15. ea.Maybe i overpaid!You can always find a minor flaw or two.Just looking at your C-head spring shot,the blade doesnt fit too well with the backspring.I have a couple of the black pearl mini trappers that are near flawless.That mismatched scale would have irritated me and been sent back also.
 
Really like the Copperhead. I have one, myself, only in yellow. may have to get the bone, looks good.
 
Andy "Well there's your problem right there. That backspring appears to be straight-up broken. Might account for the loosening up."
i think he was referring to a K.C. that loosened up.
pic. is of an RR whittler i think, and that is just a bit of grease on the spring.
maybe sappyg will post back and clear this up.
roland
 
Those are some really nice looking knives. The fit and finish appear to be very good. The only question I have can only be answered after some time has gone by and that is how is the steel and how does it hold up? Will it sharpen well, etc..? The jigging on all of them is appealing. I hope they perfom well for you. Good choices all !!!
 
Modoc, your questions have been answered in other RR threads.
they arrive truly sharp and edge hold as well as most USA made knives, i.e. very well. they sharpen easily (mine have gone over a year before needing a touch up) and then hold that edge too.
it's the crazy low price that throws people. it these retailed for $50+ there'd be far fewer questions. it's taken folks a long time to accept that the RRs could possibly be a good knife for so little money.
roland
 
Modoc, your questions have been answered in other RR threads.
they arrive truly sharp and edge hold as well as most USA made knives, i.e. very well. they sharpen easily (mine have gone over a year before needing a touch up) and then hold that edge too.
it's the crazy low price that throws people. it these retailed for $50+ there'd be far fewer questions. it's taken folks a long time to accept that the RRs could possibly be a good knife for so little money.
roland


It is also hard to accept the price with another aspect of it in mind. I don't have any RR, Colt, or any of the Asian made knives I see around now. But I have looked at a ton of them at the last few gun shows.

What bothers me is what you get for your dollar with these knives equals in many cases the same quality you get with American knives - except that the American counterparts cost 7 - 10 times as much.

All issues addressed as concerns in the OP's post are the same ones I saw with the last group of CASE knives I looked at while trying to find a good fitting, good walk and talk, nicely centered Seahorse Whittler. At an average price of about $80, I thought I would find one out of the the 6 he had.... nope.

While thinking of that, I walked by the large table of RR knives, and was really surprised at the F&F, the choice of scales, and the surprisingly uniform walk and talk of those knives.

From the selection I saw, I sure wouldn't have a problem carrying one of those around.

Robert
 
I own a whole boxful of Rough Rider knives, and on first inspection, many do appear to be of decent quality. That quality would seem to be only skin-deep, as it were. If you put them side by side with Case knives and look at them, really look at them, you'll see that there is no real comparison, especially if the knives in question have been used.

The difference between Case and Rough Rider is that a Case will hold up to a lifetime of use. In most instances, a Case knife will actually get nicer as it is used, they "break in". The bone gets smoother and more pleasing, the color gets richer and deeper. They don't develop blade wobble, the springs will remain more or less consistent throughout the lifetime of the knife, provided it is maintained properly. Rough Riders seem to fall apart very quickly once you get them out of the box. The color leaches out of the bone, and it starts looking and feeling cheap rather quickly. After just a bit of use, several of my Rough Riders developed significant blade wobble.

This is just my impression and feeling. I certainly don't begrudge anyone else who owns, and uses, and likes their Rough Riders. If they make folks happy, that's great. As for Rough Riders having better F&F than Case, that's has not been my perception, at all. The one thing Rough Rider does better is their edge grinds, but I have yet to receive a Case that was not acceptably sharp out of the box.

It will be genuinely interesting in 20 or 30 years to see how many Rough Riders will make it through the "long haul"- how many have been carried and loved for years and years. It could be that some will pass the test of time, but I wouldn't bet on it.
Many guys will happily spend $50, $80, $100+ on a Case. How many would be willing to spend the same money on a Rough Rider?
 
Andy "Well there's your problem right there. That backspring appears to be straight-up broken. Might account for the loosening up."
i think he was referring to a K.C. that loosened up.
pic. is of an RR whittler i think, and that is just a bit of grease on the spring.
maybe sappyg will post back and clear this up.
roland

exactly... the KC is the one that went loose. the RR whittler had a smudge or something on the spring that i did'nt notice when i took the pic.

keith
 
For the price I pay Case, I expect them to last few decades easily. For Rough Rider, they're beaters and loaners.
 
what i'm most curious of on your congress is the split springs and lack of taper. i wonder if it will hold up to daily use? (i have a whittler pattern from KC that loosened up to the point that i no longer use). it's odd that there is no taper.... can you post a spine shot of your congress?

here is a spine shot of my RR whittler that is split and tapered.


Here is a spine shot. You can see the brass spacer between the pen blades is the second shot down for the knife in the OP. Actually looking at it again, there may be some taper involved, but it isn't much.

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It's an interesting approach. Might work just fine.

Ed
 
Modoc, your questions have been answered in other RR threads.
they arrive truly sharp and edge hold as well as most USA made knives, i.e. very well. they sharpen easily (mine have gone over a year before needing a touch up) and then hold that edge too.
it's the crazy low price that throws people. it these retailed for $50+ there'd be far fewer questions. it's taken folks a long time to accept that the RRs could possibly be a good knife for so little money.
roland

Thanks for your insight/experience with the RR knives Roland. I guess I'm going to have to pull the trigger and order up a couple of them so as to get some first hand experience.
 
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