My number came up for a new 3.5" XM-18. Is $625.00 too much?

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My number came up and my dealer asked if I wanted a new 3.5: XM-18 non-flipper (blue/black). Is 625.00 a fair price??
 
Depends..........is the blade stonewashed or satin polished? Is the titanium anodized or stonewashed?

Also, it would be a good idea to check the exchange for sale forum..........it should give an idea how much the price range.
 
chintofong said:
Depends..........is the blade stonewashed or satin polished? Is the titanium anodized or stonewashed?

Also, it would be a good idea to check the exchange for sale forum..........it should give an idea how much the price range.
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Stone washed / Tumbled blades are production models. Satin finishes are customs and would be up closer to 900-1000 on the secondary market or from dealers. I highly doubt it but if your dealer is selling a custom at 625 don't even think. Buy it.

The titanium lockside being anodized shouldn't make much of a difference in the price of the knife. Also even though if the Ti is anodized it may still be a tumbled finish.

I agree with checking out the exchange. You can prob get one for a little less than the price you listed. The problem with that is you have to try and snipe one. You're not the only one looking for an XM18. So if you pass up on the one from the dealer you're gonna be playing the game of chance looking on the exchange. So, if you want one NOW. Go for the one from the dealer. Its not a bad price! If you can wait. Play the exchange for a little bit and be patient.

Good luck brotha! Any other questions. Post them up.

ps. For the future Rick and Rob don't really like / allow dealer pricing questions in their forum. Nothing against you for sure but it may lead to the type of thread we all like to steer clear of. There is no to much or to less when it comes to the pricing of their knives. We have to respect what dealers decide to sell their product at. ;)
 
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I paid $585 for a new XM-18 on the sales forum not that I wouldn't have paid $625 if I couldn't find one. I personally feel they are worth up to the 6ish mark on the production knife.
 
From what we seen on the market (2nd market) $625 is consider fairly on the high end. If I were you I would hold off; but its up to personal preference. Ask yourself some questions;

1) Do you really really want1?

2) Are you going to use it or its going to sit in the "SAFE"

Good luck buddy!

PS - On average xm18 3.5'' fliper goes for around $500-$575
 
Do you think a non flipper changes the price point?




hero5211314 said:
From what we seen on the market (2nd market) $625 is consider fairly on the high end. If I were you I would hold off; but its up to personal preference. Ask yourself some questions;

1) Do you really really want1?

2) Are you going to use it or its going to sit in the "SAFE"

Good luck buddy!

PS - On average xm18 3.5'' fliper goes for around $500-$575
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My personal preference on knives especially folders is that it must feature a guard!!! w/o it I won't buy the knife!

So yep its up to the individual to decide. The price range btw the fliper and non-fliper usually is about $20-$50 apart depends on the 2nd market.

Fliper > Non Fliper :thumbup:

PS - I'll only buy flipers XM folders :D
 
GunSmoke16610 said:
Do you think a non flipper changes the price point?
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The price absolutely should not be different between a flipper and non flipper.

This shouldn't change regardless of personal preference or opinion. Flipper or non flipper the price should be the same.

I've never in my time collecting Ricks knives seen an XM18 priced more because it's a flipper or less because it's a non-flipper.

Hero - I've never seen a new XM18 like the one he's looking at go for 500. A heavy user yes. Brand new no.

I do agree that flipper > non-flipper though. ;) My personal preference as well.
 
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Here's a post about pricing from Rob from not to long ago.

This is from a different forum but I think it should be posted here too to avoid any problems.

Note there is no price difference between flippers and non - flippers or 3.5 inchers and 3 inchers.

"I have seen way to many posts regarding secondary market pricing, and or dealer pricing in the forum lately. Once we sell and ship the knife, we are done with it as far as pricing goes. What John Q Public, or a dealer does with it after they pay for it is up to them. Debating it to ad nauseam here is getting old. There are people complaining about pricing, and they very well can be insulting members and friends of ours. Both the buyers and the sellers. I have seen more than one sale lately that has come up here, that has been between forum dealers and members, so if you don't like the price don't post about here.

These are the "Rick Hinderer Knives" XM prices, call it retail, show prices, whatever.

XM-18 3" Production $385.00
XM-18 3" Hand Ground Custom $550.00

XM-18 3.5" Production $385.00
XM-18 3.5" Hand Ground Custom $550.00

XM-24 4" Production $550.00
XM-24 4" Hand Ground Custom $700.00

- Carbon Fiber Scales add $100"

This is from a different forum but I think it should be posted here too to avoid any problems.

Note there is no price difference between flippers and non - flippers.
 
In the SECONDARY market there is definitely a difference in price between flippers and non-flippers. Rick makes far more flippers than non-flippers which might might suggest that flippers are far more popular. So, if the flipper is in greater demand, the price will be higher. I've bought and sold a couple of XM-18s and I can assure you there is a price difference between the 2 configurations.
 
I'm with David on this one, I also think the flipper is in higher demand on the secondary market.
 
I agree the flipper is in higher demand but I can't say I've ever seen much of a difference in the SECONDARY price of a flipper vs non-flipper. Maybe its just me but I never noticed that. I usually see them priced in the same range.

So Atony. About that Flame....... :D
 
I think they're worth whatever you're willing to pay. For the most part, you can always resell and break even if not make money. I've seen a wide range of price on eBay and across some sites. Most dealer sites though, when they have them in stock, sell them closer to the $500 range, from what I've seen. But I've even seen folks selling production models for $750 and people bidding on them!
 
I definitely think the production XM-18 is worth the $6xx price, but no way in hell I'd patronize a dealer with a 63% markup. Especially when there are plenty of good guys out there selling them at retail and offer a wait list.
 
Jackal said:
I definitely think the production XM-18 is worth the $6xx price, but no way in hell I'd patronize a dealer with a 63% markup. Especially when there are plenty of good guys out there selling them at retail and offer a wait list.
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To play Devil's advocate here, what do you think a fair mark-up is for Rick's dealers - usually high end expensive websites (not sure if they have a bick & mortar store)?

These guys have a lot of overhead too, online and even more if they have real stores too. :)
 
What ever mark-up they are asking is "fair" in capitalism. I merely stated that I personally wouldn't patronize that dealer. Would you drop $65,000 on a limited run Mustang with a $40,000 MSRP? The nearest Ford dealer to me right now typically "only" charges 40% mark-up on the Cobras, etc. and they usually sit on them till next model year. [off topic]I personally would by the $28,000 GT and go all DIY aftermarket, but that's just my style. Collector value aside, my one off Mustang would be a hell of a lot more valuable to me than the thousands (maybe 10's of thousands) of limited run models would, and I'd still have over $22,000 in the bank after a $15,000 investment in mods. It would also outperform the limited model. Then again, I'm not a collector, nor do I typically buy things with the intention of reselling.[/off topic]

I'd like to think I'd try to keep mark-up on a $385 item at $50 for the convenience of my "pull" and the trouble of keeping a wait list and sending out the emails, etc.

FWIW, I bought my XM-18 from a brick & mortar in AK at retail + $5 priority shipping. I called, they put me on the list, and a week or two later I was set. They never complained about only getting full retail.
 
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To me it's really not that complicated an issue. The poster above is right when he say's it's about capitalism. Basically it's worth what someone is willing to pay.

We as human beings strive for order and rule, and we like to categorize, and package, put things in neat little rows. We want standard answers to questions. The problem with that is we are all individuals and different things have different meanings to each one of us. We aren't one size fits all.

So IMHO the answer to your question is it is worth whatever you are willing to pay as long as the seller agrees to sell at that price. If I beat you to it, it is worth what I am willing to pay, same rule for the seller.

The real kicker is that same item will have a different value from one day to the next. I like to watch classic car auctions. Most of the time they value a given car based on what others like it have sold for in the past. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.

Why? Because maybe one time there was someone or even a few people at the auction who just happened to want that particular car really badly and the bidding went through the roof. Next time, the identical car barely drew a bid. Why? Different people with different wants at the auction.
 
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