My Opinel doesn't seem to hold an edge very well. Your experiences?

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It seems like my Opinel just doesn't want to stay sharp.
I'm basically comparing to my other edcs,
Like Spyderco Salsa, Calypso jr., and
CRKT small m16
I'd like to know if others have similar experiances.
thanks.
 
Stainless or HC ? I have both and both seem to remain sharp but i would imagine stainless would be dulled faster.
 
The Opinels in stainless or carbon steel will hold an edge well, but you should sharpen them in line with their basic geometry. They come originally in a slightly convex full Scandinavian grind, that is, with no secondary bevel. It's OK to put a slight secondary bevel on them to stregthen the edge, but keep it very narrow. They generally need stropping to restore the edge rather than heavy sharpening.
 
Esav, could you elaborate on this a little bit? When you say put a "narrow" secondary bevel on a full Scandinavian grind blade, what does that mean in terms of how I should set up my EdgePro? Sharpen at a very acute angle? But if I do that, then wouldn't that be the primay bevel not the secondary bevel and the secondary bevel would be the rest of the width of the blade?
 
I have one in carbon steel, and it holds an edge as well as any other of my 1095 class blades. It is a great cutter.
 
I have had one in carbon steel for years. It's pretty soft. Sharpens to scarry easily. Dulls easily.
 
Alonzo, the primary bevel of a blade is the main grind from back to edge. It can be full or partial, that is, starting partway down from the back. It can be convex (bowed outward) or flat or concave, generally known as hollow (bowed inward). It can be chisel ground, sharpened only on one side, the other left untouched.

All of these can be ground right down to the edge, so both sides meet in a very sharp line. But this will be somewhat delicate, and the edge can roll or chip fairly easily. So most blades are given a secondary bevel, and the user forgets about the primary grind and focuses on this edge bevel, whether it is acute or obtuse, and especially whether it is wide or narrow.

A narrow secondary bevel is hardly there. It takes some of the sharpness of that delicate edge off and substitutes toughness instead. But if the secondary bevel is very narrow, it won't interfere much with the edge slicing into material, especially if the edge of the primary bevel behind it is relatively narrow.
 
Thanks - I think I got primary and secondary mixed up. So basically, if I put a 15 degree per side edge on my opinel with my edgepro, I am adding a secondary bevel that is more obtuse than the angle it came with, which would be stronger, but potentially less sharp?
 
got a carbon opinel myself too. i think it's simply the combination of carbon steel which isn't a very good edge-holder compared to modern high-tech stainless steels, plus the fact that opinels are usually sharpened with a very thin edge, like 10-15 degree per side. it's only logical to me that it dulls easily, especially if you use it on wood and cardboard a lot.

don't forget that an opinel is better suited for light duty such as peeling fruit
 
AlonzoMosely said:
Thanks - I think I got primary and secondary mixed up. So basically, if I put a 15 degree per side edge on my opinel with my edgepro, I am adding a secondary bevel that is more obtuse than the angle it came with, which would be stronger, but potentially less sharp?


Yep, I always had problems with my Opinel SS until I stropped it, the edge came up very nice and the knife became a great slicer.
 
AlonzoMosely said:
... if I put a 15 degree per side edge on my opinel with my edgepro,
Exactly. With a light use blade like the Opinel, you could get away with the primary bevel alone if you're willing to remember to strop it on a pants leg or shirt sleeve now and again. :)

dennis75 said:
i think it's simply the combination of carbon steel which isn't a very good edge-holder compared to modern high-tech stainless steels,
Actually carbon steels, the original steels, are tougher and hold a better edge than early stainless steels, which were only developed to combat corrosion. It was only by the application of formidable amounts of money and technology that stainless steels are now able to perform up to carbon steel standards AND resist corrosion.
 
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