My steel 12" radius sanding backer

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A quick tutorial of something I figured out today, in case it may help anyone:

I mostly hollow grind with a 12” wheel. I usually give these blades a hand rubbed finish, so I need a radiused sanding block that matches a 12” wheel.

For a good while I used a strip of thick acrylic plastic, heat curved to the inside of the wheel and bonded to a hard leather surface for sanding these blades. I learned this way from Ken Onion, and it works great for smaller blades. He uses a hard rubber for the surface, which doesn’t blend grind lines as badly.

I was about to sand a couple of hollow blades today, and was thinking I’d like a metal 12” radius sanding block. I’ve seen the ones made by Todd Begg, and while they look great, they are not in my price range right now. My acrylic and leather sanding backer does not give me the “power” for sanding medium to long blades, and if I’m not very careful, really washes out grind lines.

Then I remembered reading in a book about building banjos that most brake drums on passenger vehicles are 11” I.D.

So I cut out a strip of 3/16” mild steel the size I wanted, about 7/8” x 5”, on the bandsaw. I took a brake drum from the scrap pile, set it on a stump, and took a rounding hammer. I hammered the steel strip cold against the braking surface on the inside of the drum to match the radius, being careful to hammer the entire back all the way to the ends.

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I ground the face of the strip clean, then put it over the outside of the drum, (11-5/8” O.D.) and used a rubber non-marring mallet to conform the piece to the outside diameter. Since the piece is 3/16” thick, by adding that thickness to both sides of the 11-5/8 outside diameter of the brake drum, I arrive right at 12” for the resulting radius on the sanding face of the block.

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I checked it against the contact wheel, it looked right, so I cleaned the face up with a 240 grit belt, then very lightly round-chamfered the edges of the face all the way down both sides.

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I went inside to try sanding with it. It works great, I can sand more aggressively, and it leaves the top of the plunge nice and crisp. With the slight chamfer down the edge, I can get right into the plunge radius and sand it smoothly.

Here’s a couple pics of how it looks, and the two 12” backers by each other. The leather faced one is still good to blend the last few strokes with and make it look pretty.

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Now that's thinking! Not a trick I can easily duplicate but still something to learn from (anyway, I don't hollow grind so far).
 
Neato. Something like this has been on my short list for a project for a while.

Using the brake drum (and it turning out so well) is brilliant. :thumbup:
 
Nathan- I don't currently have a lathe, but was thinking about how to make those Todd Begg style ones. Obviously it's impractical to use a slice of 12" round steel and cut it into wedges. The way I picture doing it was cutting the rough block and bolting it to a faceplate at 6" from center to turn the outside radius.

Would that work? Do you think that's how Todd does it? How are you going to build one?
 
Bolting them to a face plate and turning them would be the old school "proper" way to achieve very good precision. Another old school approach that might be faster (because it wouldn't be a drastic interrupted cut) would be a mill an/or grinder and a rotatory table or indexer or spin fixture. I could do that on a mill and rotary table in 15 min, but it might take an hour on a lathe (and be a little rough on the spindle bearings too)

Todd's are milled and that is probably how I would approach it too, but your idea of using a lathe is very correct, just slow and potentially hazardous if done improperly (which is how I do everything...)
 
Great thinking! Might have to copy that someday when I start hollow grinding. Thanks for posting!
 
Nathan- I don't currently have a lathe, but was thinking about how to make those Todd Begg style ones. Obviously it's impractical to use a slice of 12" round steel and cut it into wedges. The way I picture doing it was cutting the rough block and bolting it to a faceplate at 6" from center to turn the outside radius.

Would that work? Do you think that's how Todd does it? How are you going to build one?

How about a piece of thick walled pipe the OD you need ?
 
Geesh Salem, and I thought you were just another pretty face. Reading between the lines...so how did you manage getting a 12" contact wheel? They ain't cheap! Who knew?! We've got a real dyed-in-the-wool genius on our hands. I don't care what the girls say about you. You're alright!!! :D
 
Actually Phil, with my prodigious intellect I made my own 12" contact wheel from gum wrappers and silly putty. Like everything else in my shop.

Really what happened is when living on Maui I found a monster old belt grinder for sale on Craigslist, Toro brand, something like 3x140" belt. I tore it apart and all I have left is the 12" contact wheel, turned down to 2" wide. It's an old Chicago Rubber serrated wheel. The whole machine cost me $100, including the 3hp. 3 phase motor.

Toolsteel, pipe would work great if it was exactly the right diameter- I think 12" pipe is like 12-3/4" O.D. or more, though. Tube would be better if you could get it in a large enough size.
 
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