Mystery Sword

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dave3017

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I have an old sword (saber) I got from my grandfather. I have tried for years to identify it with no luck. I recently came across this forum and I hope you all can help. I have several pictures I can e-mail to you. Here is what I know:
The blade is 31 3/4 inches long and has a 3/4 fuller on each side.
The same crown emblem is on both sides of the blade (see photo)
The blade was made by Peter D. Luneschloss his emblem is on the blade (see photo)
The hand guard is iron or steel, two bar (see photo)
The handle is black leather wrapped wood wound with two sizes of twisted wire and has a crown emblem attached to one side.
The stampings "HA" and the number "4" are on the tang (see photo)
The scabbard is steel and has a round ring and a rectangular loop on the same single band.

Please help
 
I am new to using the forum and can not get the pictures to post. I would E-mail them to you if you want them.
 
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I suspect Glen will be along before too long and he can probably help you out. Alternatively you might consider wandering over to www.swordforum.com and posting in their antique military sword forum...
 
PDL was a maker from Solingen, so it is of German origin. Likely prior to the founding of modern Germany in 1871. Of course, PDL made swords for many markets including Britain and the US. This sword was not meant for the US market given the crown embellishments. I would likely date it circa 1840 for Continental European consumption.
 
Triton said:
I suspect Glen will be along before too long and he can probably help you out. Alternatively you might consider wandering over to www.swordforum.com and posting in their antique military sword forum...
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Sorry, loafing on the job and missed it but iiirc, George Wheeler (or someone else) spotted it at SFI and made some sense of it. The A&M room at SFI has grown to include a great bunch of authors and quite experienced collectors of antique arms. I muddle about mostly in swords from the American Revolution to the American Civil War and have been at it for less time than many. Mark Cloake's Old Swords web pages are growing and quite useful in browsing but needs registration to open a lot of doors.

www.oldswords.com/

For anything regarding Japanese, Rich Stein's pages are always a great place to start and someone today just reminded us that Rich really needs knighting for his continued support of his pages that have been around a long, long time.

http://home.earthlink.net/~steinrl/nihonto.htm

www.vikingswords.com was one of my very early bookmarks as well and led me to ther sword boards over the years. The forum there is an invaluble resource for both European firearms and weapons as well as probably the best rooms to read/find information on other ethnographic blades.

Cheers

GC
 
Peruna1998 said:
PDL was a maker from Solingen, so it is of German origin. Likely prior to the founding of modern Germany in 1871. Of course, PDL made swords for many markets including Britain and the US. This sword was not meant for the US market given the crown embellishments. I would likely date it circa 1840 for Continental European consumption.
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The hilt immediately grabbed me as the 1889 forms of Germanic swords but it was mentioned eleswhere that the blade may be a lot earlier than the hilt.

These seriously canted and wired grips with the escutcheons are all late 19th century or later. The forumite here I believe going as Germania might be able to add more to the notes of others as well. I see him in the Levine room from time to time.

George at SFI really is one of the better go to id guys for the mid to late 19th and 20th century military swords in general, German swords particularly.

Cheers

GC
 
I was browsing today through a paper Fagan Arms catalog from the spring issue while on the throne and this hilt popped up and reckoned to the 1870s. Earlier than I would have thought these grips in use but as mentioned, not really my studies. So, I went to see if it was still up on the web.

Mad Prince Ludwig period C.1870’s. Plated iron grip with curved pommel and three bar guard. Wire wrapped composition grip. 31 1/4” curved blade with fine large etched panel each side of IN TREUE FEST motto over lion holding the shield of Bavaria. Scroll edged panel enclosing an oak tree above and below. Blade excellent with a few minor freckles. Iron scabbard undented and retaining virtually all painted finish. Hilt shows smooth wear with about 50% plating remaining. Grip excellent. Flamboyant form..

http://faganarms.com/bavariancavalryofficerssword.aspx

http://faganarms.com/images/products/detail/10235a.jpg

Those sold pages will probably dissapear in time

Cheers

GC
 
Hello My name is James Biggs but everyone calls me (Corky) I just receipt received a "24" sword and "12 1/2" knife in the case they were a gift from my mother and they were given to her from a friend I trying to find out some information on these they have the maker name on them Ocotlan Oaxaca with this inscription on the blade of the sword Al nopal Lo uan a ver solo cuando Tiene Tunds thats on the back side of the sword on the front side it says Pormi patriay y mi banders doy mi vida entera . Now on the knife it has this written on it blade No me saques sin razon ni me quardes, sin honor. maybe you help in were to look for information on these two pieces.
 
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