Narcotics as pain relief...

Normark

Normark

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Hi Guys...

Heres something that may or may not have come up...

I don't want to blow anyones cover,, and really don't care if someone enjoys blazing up,, $hit happens!

Whats the possibility of using marijuana as a pain relief in the field...

Not necessarily in a survival situation,, because it can cloud judgement,, but more from a doomsday point of view..

Is it a viable source for pain relief?
A friend of mine burns one or two every day to relief his back pain,, and since Greg brought up narcotics,, I thought it might be a good question..

ttyle Eric...

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Eric E. Noeldechen
On/Scene Tactical
http://www.mnsi.net/~nbtnoel

 
My opinion when it comes to pain drugs:
If it's bad enough for me to want to take something, nothing is going to stop me form taking something that works.

Would I smoke, canabis? Sure, if there was nothing better around. Actually, long term, cannabis might be better than prescription pain killers, most of those are narcotic, meaning that your body becomes tolerant and need more to do the job. I am not sure that canabis has the same problem.
I do know that brother smokes it, and his back doesn't seem to bother him much any more


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Joshua
But doom'd and devoted by vassal and lord.
MacGregor has still both his heart and his sword!
-MacGregor's Gathering, Sir Walter Scott
 
I woke up this AM with a fair amount of pain and numbness down the outside of my left leg and across my foot. Note: My back no longer hurts...my pain is caused from the nerve that is effected by the herniated disc. I walk a funny walk.

I hate taking medicines (funny for a guy who makes half of his living prescribing them), especially narcotics because I believe they mess up my body ability to respond appropriately to pain. I don't even believe in taking vitamens...eat right and exercise is my motto.

3 weeks ago I laid on a floor stuck because if I moved at all...I had 10/10 pain. I had my very first Demeral (sp) shot...it barely touched the pain (my nurse came to my house and gave it to me). Later one of the Docs I work with made a home visit. I took my first ever vicoden (I am 40) and it didn't help. I took my first ever percodan and it barely helped...with time (3 days of laying flat, only rolling to the side to pee into a urinal) the sever back pain got better on its own.

The neurosurgeon gave me a corticosteroid epidural injection which provided a fair amount of relief to my lower back. He thought we should operate then...I wanted to wait.

Now I have constant 7/10 unrelenting nerve pain in my buttocks and down my L5 dermatone (all the way down my leg and across the top of my foot). I can get it down to about a 5/10 with the narcotics. BTW for you medical people: I rarely drink...thus my tolerance should be very low.

My point is...if I didn't know this was going to be fixed monday...and it was a lifetime problem, I would try all legal ways to relieve the pain before looking at using pot. Especially since I would lose my license to practice medicine if caught. In addition, I'm not exactly clear on its medical use...Is it used to counter the nausea certain illnesses create or is it used to control pain? How about it Rob (pharmacist) and Walt (ER physician)...do you know

To answer your question about taking it to the field as a pain medication: I would not carry it to the field. If anything I'd carry vicoden or percodan...and maybe some injectable demeral.

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Greg Davenport
http://www.ssurvival.com
Are You Ready For The Challenge?
Are You Ready To Learn The Art Of Wilderness Survival?

 
From what I understand, it's kind of like those funny little pills based willow bark tea called asprin, it does several things. Asprin helps(if your lucky) pain and it helps in heart attacks. Canabis helps with both pain and naesua(SP?).
You might be able to find better information on the Cato Institutes web site http://www.cato.org you'll have to dog a little bit. Try looking in the the policy analysis section. I'll try to get a direct link soon.

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Joshua
But doom'd and devoted by vassal and lord.
MacGregor has still both his heart and his sword!
-MacGregor's Gathering, Sir Walter Scott
 
The scoop on THC, the active ingredient in "pot",is that it does not have any analgesic properties per say. It does not have any clinically significant activity at the body's opiod receptors (like percodan,vicodin etc),it does not inhibit prostaglandin or inflamatory response (like corticosteroids/nsaids). I belive that the perception of "pain relief" comes from the sense of well being/ euphoric effects of the drug. Another good example of this is the drug Soma which is frequently prescribed as a muscle relaxer. The funny thing is that soma has absolutely no skeletal muscle relaxant properties. It is however converted in the body to Meprobamate which itself was prescribed as a sedative in the "old days". So maybe muscle relaxation is attained via the "smoothing out process" if you get my drift. The only clinical uses of marijuana or THC that I am aware of is to reduce intraocular pressue in open angle glaucoma or most commonly it is used in the capsule form called Marinol as an appetite stimulant in AIDS and cancer patients or any disease where emaciation exists as a comorbidity. Finally remember that no drug is a magic bullet there are always side effects and I personally would prefer to chose an analgesic that would not dampen my determination,or alertness in the field..I'm not sure if that answers your question Normak?....Before my pharmacy career I was a molecular biology guy and did some research on analgesia at the cellular level while in grad. school. It is facinating topic and the variance among individuals as to their response is amazing! I'm sure Greg and Walt could tell you how few absolutes there are in medicine as well as pharmacology.
 
Rob, thanks so much for that info on pot. I have had several patients ask me for letters that allow them to have it to control pain. I decline each time. BTW the sherrif, a friend of mine, tells me the letter wouldn't work anyway. Now that I know it has no pain controlling qualities....

Sorry everyone....gotta ask. Rob, what do you think about soma and ultram and their addictive qualities? They were suppose to be the great white horse in their respective areas but in reality have created more problems in the long run....You can use personal email if you want.

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Greg Davenport
http://www.ssurvival.com
Are You Ready For The Challenge?
Are You Ready To Learn The Art Of Wilderness Survival?

 
Hey Guys...

I think the jury might be still out on it.. A lot of people starting to look very seriously at it in many different ways...

There are several cases in Canada now where it is legal for people to smoke and keep marijuana for their pain or what have you.

All over Canada there are medical marijuana clubs, where docs have written scripts for it. These people buy their smoke from these clubs.. There are some other people who blatently defy the law and distribute it in various forms to cancer and aids cases.

Actually our heath minister has been looking for a good dope dealer so to speak who can supply high quality herb for testing.. Just go to any of the big ski lodges in Canada and you'll find high quality herb from any snow boarder.. LOL

Greg I can understand your stance on it..

I don't know,, but I think we are in the beginning stages of some real interesting stuff with it...

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Pheeew.. Think I got them now..
You guys must think I'm on frigging drugs or something!! LOL

What you see here is a picture of me standing in about a 60 acre field of hemp not marijuana.. 1 field of many in the area..
Hemp is now legally grown in Canada BTW..

Think of the possibilities! Rope? Ohhh ya!
ttyle Eric...

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Eric E. Noeldechen
On/Scene Tactical http://www.mnsi.net/~nbtnoel

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