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Native in VG-10?
- Thread starter SpyderJon
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They are going to be making it in VG-10, but haven't released it yet.
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Will it be available in plain-edge? I always thought that a knife so ergonomic would be ideal for carving and whittling. But then maybe it shouldnt have the false edge on the back of the blade either. Am I turning this knife into a poor-man's Lum Chinese??
I like the swedge on the Native; in fact, I have sharpened the swedge on my GIN-1 Native.
I don't cut myself now as often as I did at first.
If I understand correctly, the Japanese developed VG-10 for their horticulture industry.
They wanted a steel that would make very fine cuts without crushing the capillaries of grafts.
VG-10 also has a reputation for "grabbiness," meaning, in addition to the ability to make fine cuts it also cuts very aggressively with a minimum of pressure.
I don't know how much of this to attribute to "hype."
I consider the Native the best EDC design on the market and a great value at the price.
I wouldn't change a thing about the Native, and yet, VG-10 would make it better.
In another thread we have discussed a slightly larger Native with great enthusiasm.
I look forward to this up-scaled with anticipation but also with some anxiety lest Spyderco lose the formula which works so well.
I have held off on buying a 440V Native because my GIN-1 works well enough.
I don't know if I could resist a VG-10 Native; in fact, I suppose I could eventually wind up with all four (assuming four) Natives, but I would need to get the 440V before the Vg-10 comes out.
I don't cut myself now as often as I did at first.
If I understand correctly, the Japanese developed VG-10 for their horticulture industry.
They wanted a steel that would make very fine cuts without crushing the capillaries of grafts.
VG-10 also has a reputation for "grabbiness," meaning, in addition to the ability to make fine cuts it also cuts very aggressively with a minimum of pressure.
I don't know how much of this to attribute to "hype."
I consider the Native the best EDC design on the market and a great value at the price.
I wouldn't change a thing about the Native, and yet, VG-10 would make it better.
In another thread we have discussed a slightly larger Native with great enthusiasm.
I look forward to this up-scaled with anticipation but also with some anxiety lest Spyderco lose the formula which works so well.
I have held off on buying a 440V Native because my GIN-1 works well enough.
I don't know if I could resist a VG-10 Native; in fact, I suppose I could eventually wind up with all four (assuming four) Natives, but I would need to get the 440V before the Vg-10 comes out.
Thanks for the replies! I, personally, have been waiting to buy a Native until it comes out in VG-10. I've heard so much good stuff about their VG-10 (especially in knives like the Delica), and it seems to be almost the perfect steel for my needs. Easy to sharpen, and easy to keep finger-slicing good! I guess my wait continues. I'd even order one from JAPAN if I had to. I like the idea of the Native, and the great ergos, but I'm quite frankly intimidated by reports of how hard the 440V is to sharpen, and I'm not that good at sharpening. Thanks, again!
What do you all have against the CPM440V in the Lightweight Native? I think that this is just about the best steel that I have seen for a folder, and I LOVE it in mine. The BF Blue Native was a winner from the beginning, and the steel was a large part of it.
Added note: Spyderjon, get yourself a Sharpmaker 204, that is what I finally did. I have always prided myself on my ability with oilstones, etc., but the CPM440V had defeated me until I bought my 204, and now I can't understand how I lived so long without it.
Added note: Spyderjon, get yourself a Sharpmaker 204, that is what I finally did. I have always prided myself on my ability with oilstones, etc., but the CPM440V had defeated me until I bought my 204, and now I can't understand how I lived so long without it.
Hugh raises a good question.
My GIN-1 bladed Native does not hold an edge very well.
I can pop it back to razor sharp in seconds with a steel.
I have looked hard at the 440V bladed Native because I expect it would keep an edge forever, or almost.
If it proves hard to sharpen, that normally wouldn't matter to me because I use a steel regularly: if I use the knife during the day I steel it at night.
I do have some hard edged knives, though, that, if I let their edges get away from me, require thoughtful stoning.
Each time I stone one of these knives I promise myself to not let the edge get away next time.
If people who don't regularly steel their knives really have that much trouble sharpening 440V, I can see the justification for a Native with a VG-10 blade.
Although I don't consider myself an expert on VG-10, I have heard it described as relatively easy to sharpen and holding a good edge.
And, as I said above, it seems to have a reputation for cutting aggressively without much pressure, which explains its popularity with horticulturists.
Given the hollow grind and thin section of the Native's blade, VG-10 sounds like a natural.
However, I plan to save my money for the 4" blade Native that Sal has said he would/might produce soon.
In the end, I would like to have all four: GIN-1, 440V, VG-10 and 4" whatever.
My GIN-1 bladed Native does not hold an edge very well.
I can pop it back to razor sharp in seconds with a steel.
I have looked hard at the 440V bladed Native because I expect it would keep an edge forever, or almost.
If it proves hard to sharpen, that normally wouldn't matter to me because I use a steel regularly: if I use the knife during the day I steel it at night.
I do have some hard edged knives, though, that, if I let their edges get away from me, require thoughtful stoning.
Each time I stone one of these knives I promise myself to not let the edge get away next time.
If people who don't regularly steel their knives really have that much trouble sharpening 440V, I can see the justification for a Native with a VG-10 blade.
Although I don't consider myself an expert on VG-10, I have heard it described as relatively easy to sharpen and holding a good edge.
And, as I said above, it seems to have a reputation for cutting aggressively without much pressure, which explains its popularity with horticulturists.
Given the hollow grind and thin section of the Native's blade, VG-10 sounds like a natural.
However, I plan to save my money for the 4" blade Native that Sal has said he would/might produce soon.
In the end, I would like to have all four: GIN-1, 440V, VG-10 and 4" whatever.