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native`s lack of locking dent
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For the early versions, the Boye dent wasn't introduced yet, so it depends on the production date. My GIN-1 Native was blessed without that pesky dent (I don't like it, personally), as well as my inlaid G-10 model. My S30V FRN models do have it though, if I recall correctly. The Native II, which you have, did not originally have the dent, either, but perhaps it did receive it in later production runs. Mine is without it as well.
Because it's too old to have it. 
I don't know what date Spyderco started doing that but I don't think any of the "old" Spyderco's had the Boye dent. I have an FRN Dragonfly and it doesn't have the Boye Dent.
Personally I hate the Boye dent. I wish it never existed.
EDIT: VWTattoo beat me to it. Nice work son.
I don't know what date Spyderco started doing that but I don't think any of the "old" Spyderco's had the Boye dent. I have an FRN Dragonfly and it doesn't have the Boye Dent.
Personally I hate the Boye dent. I wish it never existed.
EDIT: VWTattoo beat me to it. Nice work son.
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I was wondering why you guys don't like the Boye dent? I have a delica with the dent and a mini manix without. I don't really see the difference when I use them nor do I really even notice that the delica has one.
Generally makes it a little more difficult to close and produces no gains in functionality for myself. I have never once come close to accidently unlocking a Spyderco, though this may be an issue with others.
Also, poor machining and a boye dent is a bad combination. On my Native, if you depress the middle of the dent, the lock bar doesn't move enough to close. You can only close it in a specific part of the release section. Other Native I've handled aren't like this. Doesn't bother me, but I'd prefer it not be that way.
Also, poor machining and a boye dent is a bad combination. On my Native, if you depress the middle of the dent, the lock bar doesn't move enough to close. You can only close it in a specific part of the release section. Other Native I've handled aren't like this. Doesn't bother me, but I'd prefer it not be that way.
Vivi said:
I agree I find it easier to close the dent free models. I can release the Police model with and without the boye dent with ease from just gripping the handle and squeezing. However, in the postion I actually use the knife to cut I wouldn't be able to release either one. So I find it gains no function for me plus it makes the knife look ugly IMO.
I too have had many knives without the dent. It's supposed to help stop accidental closing. It doesn't affect me at all. I cannot accidentally close any of the lock backs I've had.
I hate the dent, and I think it looks ugly. It also makes the knife harder to close.
I will always hate the dent.
I hate the dent, and I think it looks ugly. It also makes the knife harder to close.
I will always hate the dent.
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Seat belts are ugly too, and they wrinkle my cloths. Never know before I'll need it though, so it is nice to have.
zenheretic said:
Thats really not a good analogy considering a few people have stated the dent doesn't add any function for them. So far I haven't come across a boye dent model that I couldn't close by squeezing the handle. Actually, sometimes it seems easier for me to close the ones with dents. I find it funny that my Spyderco Manix has so far been impossible for me to close even when trying to do it and its dent free. So I think the design of the handle is far more important than the boye dent. I think the boye dent is more of a marketing ploy (that may not be the best word for it) to get a lot people to perceive it as more functional. I have yet to see conclusive tests that show that a knife is more unlikely to be unlocked when it has the boye dent (there are conclusive tests on seatbelts however). And so far from my own experience the boye dent adds nothing in terms of safety for me.
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When I consider Sal has stated the the dent is placed specifically for safety, that safety being preventing the knife from accidentally unlocking, I find my seatbelt analogy quite relevant. Your mentioning of people finding the dent of no use further applies. I haven't been in a car accident in 18 years, yet I still use my seat belt.Bodieism said:
The reason the Manix does not have the dent is because it doesn't need the dent based on whatever criteria Spyderco uses to determine "Dentosity". I believe it has to do with how much pressure it takes to disengage the lock.
You claim you see no tests and your personal experiences yield different results...perhaps you could perform some objective tests. I'll take Sal's word on the matter. Perhaps that makes me naive or fanboyish but I see no reason to not believe him...after all why would he continue to put it on when everyone hates the way it looks?
zenheretic said:
I still see this as a bad analogy. There are tests that show not wearing a seatbelt can be detrimental to your safety but there is not on the boye dent plus I still find a lock with no dent completely safe. I think a comparison like that would be better suited for a knife with a lock vs. one without a lock. If there was a seat belt that functioned for you just as well as the one you had now but it wasnt ugly and it didnt wrinkle your clothes which would you prefer to have?
zenheretic said:
Maybe so but considering it takes close to the same amout of pressure it takes to close my E4 (which I can easily close by gripping the handle). I think it has more to do with the handle design and the depth at which the lock must be pushed in to be released.
zenheretic said:
I dont see why it no further applies. And I said it doesnt add any function for them and what I meant by that was they didnt find it any safer to use a lock with a boye dent. I would say most people find not wearing a seat belt to be less safe than wearing one so that is another reason why I dont think its a good analogy.
zenheretic said:
So far its a fact not a claim.
zenheretic said:
No, they dont yield different results b/c Ive not seen tests that show a boye dent decreases the chance of accidental lock release.
zenheretic said:
What makes you think everyone hates the way it looks? I think quite of few people do like they way it looks and for all I know that might be why some people argue so much about its perceived function just b/c they want to make sure it stays on the knife. I think people are more likely to buy something they perceive as more functional even if it isnt. So that could be a reason it is still put on models also.
zenheretic said:
If Spyderco is willing to send me two of the exact same models (lets say an Endura Wave or a ZDP D4 since I dont have either one of those lol) and for one of them to be dent free I would glady perform some tests
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Wow, you found every single word in my post objectionable and worthy of specific comment. Way to chop it up, take it out of context, and deliberately misread my intentions. I find that forumites that play those tactics are more interested in looking smart than reasonable discussion therefore I'll leave the last post up to you. I was attempting a reasonable discourse but it doesn't appear to be possible with you.