Need a whole Kit &Kaboodle general purpose Survival plan

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Alright Guys(gals),

Here's what I'm up to. For many months now I've been toting around a basic gym bag that I've filled with misc crap. Everything that I think is neat cool, new, vaguely usefull, or necissiary for work, like a day planner goes in here. I tried to consider it a all around BOB sort of thing but there's no real thought put in to it. I had one fixed blade (SOG Northwest Ranger) and one folder (BM 42 Balisong)tiny altoids tin first aid kit, asp keylight and that was pretty much my idea of things I MIGHT need.
As you can no doubt tell and I believe I already admitted no real thought went in to this bag. I've decided that this is unacceptable, as long as I'm toting this smegger around I might as well put something usefull into it. This is where you all fit in. I would like some help and advice not just on kit design as I can read through this forum and come up with a pretty damn solid kit, but on an entire survival plan/package. There are skills that I need to re-learn and equipment that I will need to purchase and I will try to highlight what I think I need as I come to them. I will also outline my general lifestyle and travels so you will have an idea of where I might have problems and what I might need to pack for.
Ok, me... I live in Rio Rancho New Mexico, on the outskirts of town. Quite literally paved road at my front door and nothing but sand and sage out back. I drive 20 miles or so into Albuquerque each day for work. I have put some thought into auto emergency kits and have a first aid kit in the car and a small tool kit. I keep a FB in the car incase I need a spare for anything. The job that I do has me traveling across the state, usually either in a rental car or one of our marked units I do not trade out equipment from my car to what ever car I'm in every time, it's just too problematic.
The terrain that I cross varies from city (Albuquerque) to small town (Clovis) to flat out open desert, to moutainous forest land. 80% of it is desert. Scorching heat in the day butt ass cold at night. I'm thinking the important things I'll need would be fire,water,shade/shelter,navigation. So Fire I can figure out and I'll ask in a seperate thread as this one is already long enough, water: do you think it would be advisable to carry my own? it'll get heavy no? Shade/ shelter, I was thinking it'd be a bit of a challenge to pack anything truly substantial. Navigation? Well I used to be a fair hand with map and compass. I have long since lost my compass and don't honestly remember how to use the little thing. (btw the one I had is about the only one I want to replace it. I think it was a silva, it was completely round, no flat part with the ruler on it or anything and the bevel? was black and moveable. I liked it, simple effective and compact. I want to replace that one but someone needs to point me in the right direction ((Yeah I know I couldn't help that one))
So what I'm thinking is an all around package, I realise I probably need to invest some money here, I'm ok with that (to an extent of course) I'm wagering I'll need a few books. I'm thinking three. The one mentioned often in here about The Psychology of wilderness survival, perhaps one about general field craft and I'd like to find a general reference guide that I could pack with me with some of the standard fare in it like edible plants and what not. SO Two books to read and shelve, one to pack.
*as an aside I know someone is going to tell me I won't have this bag with me when I need it and I'll be forced to rely on what I have on my person, well I carry the following things daily: wallet, comb,spyderco ayoob folder, SAK delux tinker, CRKT KISS, Fisher bullet pen/black, Emerson Griffe, keys. I'm thinking I'm pretty well bladed, sure I could add a fixed blade but it's not really practical for me with office dress. So maybe best thing to add to pockets would be a fire maker?*
As you can see I really want help with a whole package. I'm sorry this was so lengthy but I'm interested in learning at the very least some solid fundamentals of personal preparedness that would see me through a rough spot or two. I am open to all suggestions Ideas comments and email if you want to go that route.
thanks for putting up with me this long.
 
Okay, I'll take a shot at a few points raised.

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Originally posted by Chambers
There are skills that I need to re-learn and equipment that I will need to purchase

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Good first step is to define what you don't know. That can give direction to your research for knowledge & gear. IMHO study for the knowledge first, gear secondarily. Info packed in your head can save you needing to pack so much gear on your back.
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I live in Rio Rancho New Mexico...job has me traveling across the state...I do not trade out equipment from my car to what ever car I'm in every time, it's just too problematic...The terrain that I cross varies from city (Albuquerque) to small town (Clovis) to flat out open desert, to moutainous forest land. 80% of it is desert. Scorching heat in the day butt ass cold at night. I'm thinking the important things I'll need would be fire, water, shade/shelter, navigation.

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What actions you take depends on how important you choose to make this particular aspect of your life. Sometimes we have to modify our behavior or thought processes to accomodate shifting priorities, in this case comfort/convenience vs survivability. It's a balance between how much effort you're willing to invest vs the anticipated returns for that effort in the timeframe you assign. Given the area where you are operating (used to live there and love it :D ) and its attendant heat & lack of water, you have to balance the inconvenience of hauling a 5-gallon jerry can of water between house and several cars against the benefit you perceive it will offer for both you and the car radiator in time of need. Balance the time & effort to hump around a lightweight tarp, sleeping bag, stove & fuel, Sierra cup or small saucepan, and a bit of food (your choice) against the discomfort, injury, and possible death from not meeting the basic Food, Shelter, Health needs of a human body, fragile animal that we are. Most of the time for most people, they don't need the knowledge of survival or the extra gear. The city & its social structures provide them enough safety & resources to stay alive day to day. Your driving situation IMHO calls for having extra knowledge and a bit of gear to implement it when the chips are down.
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I'm wagering I'll need a few books...As you can see I really want help with a whole package.

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There are several threads already in this forum advising on good desert survival books and links to survival lists and conversations on other forums around the web to research what gear to consider, from very basic minimal kit to exhaustive lists that include the kitchen sink. One of my personal favorite websites for emergency survival info is Doug Ritter's site http://www.equipped.com/
 
water

fire

food

shelter

first aid

signalling

Put it in a daypack, and carry that around. Throw in a cell phone, and you're good to go.

If you're just concerned about the car breaking down, carry comfort items and sleep in the car. Call someone, stay warm, and have a bite to eat. Beyond that, were you going to wander off into the desert or something?

You can put a pretty plush kit in a small daypack to wait out a breakdown for warmth and shelter. The main thing is, don't wander off, and keep your head.

The waiting is the hardest part. :D
 
Just to add to the responses....

By asking these questions, you are more prepared than most folks. IMO, 90% of your kit is knowledge/attitude and the other 10% is your gear.

Once you read some books (many out there, some you'll like, and some you won't) and get your gear together, make a survival practice trial. You say you have nothing but sage and sand out your back door? (If not drive to some remote location.) Then one weekend take your BOB and stay out all weekend practicing your newly found skills/gear. Find out what works and does not work for you. Then go back and analyze what went right or wrong, reorganize your pack, and read some more books. Then maybe a few weeks later, make another trial run and see where you stand.

Granted you can't prepare for everything, but seeing limitations and recognizing the seriousness of situations, this will make you better prepared.

Have fun,

--Chris
 
I would recomend a survival retreat with Chris Nygeres(sp?) as he is a native of southern california and knows indigenious plants in your environment and other survival skills pertaining to your environment.

he can be found as from a search in this forum or on google.


good luck
 
And this is why I hang out here. Thanks guys, a lot of solid common sence information. Robert I got to hand it to you the line

were you going to wander off into the desert or something?

Made me stop and think. Well crap, no not really. bout the worst thing I can imagine is rolling off the highway and down some sort of hill or embankment. and I suppose in that case, first aid and get back to highway.

Good stuff guys I appreciate it. Keep it coming if there are any more
 
You definately have the right taste in movies! I love Army of Darkness. Speaking of, I recommend everyone get a good Boom Stick for the car. No better survival tool made for getting food, or not becoming some.
 
I've spent some time and effort trying to come up with a basic kit small enough to really be carried all the time. Check it out. :)

http://www.october.com/preparedness/personal/

This certainly isn't a definitive list or anything, but it works for me and it makes useful starting point for coming up with one of your own.

--Bob Q
 
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