need help choosing sleeping bag

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hello all... i haven't posted in a while but i always keep up with most of the posts... :D

i am planning to go backpacking on the 24th with a friend... and practice some fire skills (hopefully it's not raining that day :D)

i hope this thread does not get moved to another place... i would really like your input here.... thanks in advanced...

so i live in san fernando valley and planning to go to Henninger flats... i'd like a bag that will work for the weather in that area and more likely cooler than that (for those who live around taht area)...

i don't think it gets that cold there but for some reason i was looking at bags rated at 0 degrees...

part of this question is to know what you guys have when going out backpacking and what would you recommend me to get... my budget is about 170.00... and would like it to be lightweight...

I've been looking at the campmore website but there is so much to choose from...

thanks...
 
I've had a North Face Cat's Meow for several years now and have been very satisfied with it. TNF aren't the lightest or most compact but for the price they're great bags.

The Snowshoe fits your temp and budget requirements.
 
it's one i was looking at...

the reviews are kind of contradictory - at least on the campmor site...

only 3 lbs... and i believe northface are pretty accurate right?
 
A zero degree bag at 3 lbs. sounds fishy to me.

A high end Marmot bag stuffed with premium down weighs about that much.

I'd keep doing some research on the weight. I'd also see what is available locally. Bags are cut differently and some may be roomier and some constricting. Take into account how tall you are and if you'd need a larger bag. I'm 6'2" and need a taller model bag.

If you're on the fence, you could see if a local shop rents bags. If it works for you and you end up buying a new one, our local shop will take off the rental price from the sale.
 
In my experience TNF is pretty close to their specs.

Keep in mind what is compact for one may not be for another, especially if they are used to the stuffed size of a down bag.
A winter bag will not be tiny and lightweight unless you are willing to lay out some serious cash.

To butcher an old saying: Light, good, and cheap...pick two.
 
I have a Wiggys super-lite ( -15c rating I think.) I've been winter camping at -10c and I'm very warm in it. #10 YKK heavy-duty zipper , large hood ( mummy style bag) and compression stuff sack. Dries pretty quick if you get it wet.I find mummys now a bit constricting, but that bag is killer warm.

Lamilite insulation in it is pretty awesome and very hydrophobic. Large draft tube along the whole length and available in L&R zip.

http://wiggys.com/
 
I have one of the older snowshoe bags (got it for work)- it's about 3 1/2# which is pretty light considering it's syn and it's a 0 degree bag (might be a wee optimistic w/ that rating)

for your price range and a 0 degree rating I don't think you'll find anything better

not exactly sure why you're looking at a 0 degree bag for, I live in Montana and use a 0 degree bag for winter- my guess is in So Cal you could get by w/ a different bag and probably open so more options
 
I have several wiggy's items (jacket, pak boots, mittens) and here in Alaska it meets my requirements of being durable, warm even when wet, and reasonably priced. I have found it to be a little heavier and not as compressable and light as down or primaloft. Ultra Light is...well light but being cold and light sucks
 
I have one of the older snowshoe bags (got it for work)- it's about 3 1/2# which is pretty light considering it's syn and it's a 0 degree bag (might be a wee optimistic w/ that rating)

for your price range and a 0 degree rating I don't think you'll find anything better

not exactly sure why you're looking at a 0 degree bag for, I live in Montana and use a 0 degree bag for winter- my guess is in So Cal you could get by w/ a different bag and probably open so more options

that's the other thing too... i am not even sure if i really need a 0 degree bag... i guess it's a nice to have you know...

i also figured that if i really wanted a 20 degree bag, by getting a 0 degree bag i make sure i get the 20...

I know a guy who is being backpacking for 10 years and he has a 20 degree bag and he is good with it... only twice he said he was cold at night at Joshua Tree but other than that he is being fine... i guess as long as it is really at 20 degrees it would be fine...
 
I was looking at the zwiggy sleeping bag and the one rated at 20 degrees is between 3 and 4 lbs... and with a 30% discount it would be at 140... or ~150 for the one rated at 0 degrees but a bit heavier...

would you care to explain what you meant by this:


Ultra Light is...well light but being cold and light sucks


thanks...
 
so far i am really liking the snowshoe... it is light... and it is within my price range...

and it definetly beats teh one i got from ROSS for 20 bucks... :D

when i went in april i was cold... hahahah

can anybody reassure me of my decision?

thanks...

the other thing i can do is go to REI and see if i can rent one..
 
I have the perfect bag for you, I have tested the Wiggys Ultralight, Cats Meow and the Mountain Hardware UltraLamina 15. I was looking for a bag that was rated around 15-20 degrees and synthetic. So I tested all of them out. They were all really very good but I only kept one in the end. I did not go with a down bag because of cost, loft retention, if it get wet you can forget staying warm and so on. But down has a ton of huge pluses that synthetics does not. Weight and compression size are Downs biggest pluses! The same temp bags tend to be lighter smaller and compress far more then synthetic bags. But the synthetics are cheaper and wick moisture a little better. These bags are all mummy cuts. Mummy cuts arent as comfortable as rectangle but they are warmer and tend to be smaller and lighter as well. If you car camp go for comfort...if you pack weight and size are what you need. The three bags I mentioned are in your Price range as well.

Let me start with the wiggys bag first. It is easily built the best, heavy duty, big, warm and comfortable. His lamilite insulation is actually Climashield Combat so it is not his own (Northface uses climashield prism a similar holofiber synthetic insulation). It is an excellent insulation that will hold its loft better then any other bag out there. It can be compressed several hundred maybe a thousand times and still return to its 100% loft! But this is a trade off here. Because it loft bounces back so well it also doesnt compress as well and is also heavier. So of the 3 bags this is the biggest when compressed and the heaviest! And by a pretty good margin. Wiggy uses YKK #10 zipper on all his bags...these are nice and do not snag! They are the best and most reliable zipper I have used in a sleeping bag. But they are big and add to the weight. He also throws in a pillow...but it is hard and big, oh and takes up space so I just wad up my jacket and sleep on it as a pillow, the wiggys pillow never makes it out. His bags have a lifetime warranty and they will probably out last you or anyone you were to pass it on to. His outer shell is also thicker and tougher. It is a great bag the most durable of the bunch and more or less will keep you warmer over many years of use because it will maintain its loft far better!!! If the SHTF happens his bag is the one I want! This bag was easy to get in and out off as well.

The Northface Cats Meow is an awesome bag and would probably be my favorite with the exception of one thing...it is too narrow and tight in the inside. It too bad because it is really a great bag but being too tight is a huge drawback for me and I am not a heavy nor big guy for that matter. But there are a ton of things to like for I like the glow in the dark zippers and the location of them as well. It is the cheapest bag of the bunch and will last a long time as well. Northface has been making this bag with minor changes for over 20 years...because it works. But for me too tight. I am 5' 9" and 170lbs it was a too confining for in the legs and shoulders. the bag seemed to be very warm and could fend well, I dont believe it would go down to its rated temp of 20 but I usually dont think that of a down bag as well because of how light they are and they manage. It might just do it...I didnt have that low of a temp to test at. The overall design of this bag is excellent. If they made it in a wide...I am in! It even looks nice! Zippers are decent and the bag was easy to get in and out of.

The Mountain Hardware UltraLamina 15 degree is what I ended up keeping of the three. For a ton of reasons, the insulation is similar in weight and size to down because of that it compress down extremely well! It is also significantly lighter then the Wiggys but not as light as the Cats, they were supper close in weight. It did compress substantially better than the others. it was wider in the inside then the cats and very close to the wiggys (I got the wide size in the wiggys). It isn't as tough as the wiggys but close to the cats. The part that sold me on this bag was its compression size...it is small for a syn. therefore packs well. However once again, if the cats was wider...I would have kept it for I like the zippers better and the overall design it was just far to tight for my liking. Some are fine with that just not me...I tend to move around alot when I sleep and even the wiggy and the Mountain still felt a little tight at time but the cats...i couldnt take it. I didnt like getting in and out of the ultralamina as much as the other but it wasnt terrible. Once again what sold me was compression size and width...this bag was pretty comfortable for the most part and the insulation wicked well for a 15 degree bag. It is an excellent bag and offers size like down performance, weight like down, and just ended up fitting the bill the best...it also felt warm without getting too hot!

One extreme important thing to remember is your bag is only as good as your sleeping pad. If you are sleeping on the ground and it is going to be cold...I dont care what bag you have, you will get cold! So if your conditions are going to put you on cool or cold ground...get a sleeping pad that is 1.5" thick or better...without one you will have a cold and horrible night sleep! Not only do they shield you from the cold ground but they make sleeping a ton more comfortable! I like the Therm-a-rest prolite plus. it is light, small, tough and extremely comfortable. Dont skimp on the pad..it is so important in cool and cold situation it is unbelievable the difference
 
Look no further than the Marmot Pinnacle 15 degree bag.

I bought mine 3 years ago, and I probably won't buy another bag for 10 years. It's perfect for all seasons. And when my lady friend makes me sleep on the couch when I'm a bad boy, I use it then too.

JGON
 
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first of all... thanks so much for the time you have taken to give me your review on those three bags...

i can see that the cats meow is less weight for sure... and its a bit cheaper too... i guess i could always throw a liner to this one to make it go to lower temperatures... what do you think about this? is this something you do?

the snowshoe is only one more lb in weight and about 20 to 30 dollars more... since you like the cats so much, don't you think that the snowshoe might make a good buy as well?

i looked into the specs and both would fit me good (i have to double check this though)...

thanks..
 
if you need a 0 degree bag the Snowshoe would be a good choice, if you don't there are lots and lots of "20" degree bags out there to choose from

if your not concerned w/ weight (ie car camping, short hikes, etc) then the Snowshoe would be a solid choice, if your concerned w/ weight then I'd go w/ a lighter 20 degree bag

you don't want a bag that fits too tightly as there is always a chance that you'll experience colder than expected temps and need to add additional clothing- a tight bag inhibits this option, conversely you don't want to be swimming in the bag either- this is very inefficient from a thermal standpoint
 
Buying a bag that is too warm for the majority of your expected use is a bit of a mistake. Only being "cold" twice in ten years(I gues that depends on the total number of nights out) is way better than roasting 99% of the time or lugging the extra bulk when its only 40F.

I considered getting a liner bag; but jeez they are so big. I just wear my extra clothes when temps drop below my rating. I've kept mostly toasty 15* below my bag temp.

Good luck deciding. I know it is a tough choice. Definately go somewhere and try out different models. Even if one isn't the exact model you can use its listed girth as a guideline.
 
I have a Marmot Sawtooth Long (15 degree down bag).
By using a silk bag liner, I can get 5 to 10 degrees improvement on the temp rating.
Just one option...
 
Buying a bag that is too warm for the majority of your expected use is a bit of a mistake.

I definitely agree- like I said if you need a 0 degree bag, then get one- if you don't- then much better to save the weight (and possibly $) on something more suitable for the expected conditions
 
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