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KILJOY KutLery, hand made in Luling Texas
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OK guys...I don't currently own a Kukri style blade. I am seriously looking at them, as a survival style chopper, I have used them in the past and handled lots of the Cold Steel and other NON- authentic ones. My question is this, If I am smart enough to know that I want one, and that I don't want a $19.99 piece of crap, which one do I buy? I looked on ebay and around the web, and the prices are very hard to follow, some alot of money and some cheap. In short...how about you guys save me the trouble of learning the hard way, and just tell me which one to buy and were. thank you a bunch in advance, Gene. EDIT: I want a plain jane user...nothing fancy, just tough.
 
hmmmm a 15-16"+- OAL ang khola (AK) or chiruwa ang khola (CAK) would make a great first khuk... if youre wondering the chiruwa model has a full tang with pinned handles vs. the traditional alligator tail tang

however, they may be a bit heavy for your first khuk(s) ;)
may i suggest a 15-16" wwII or bas model? maybe even a bojpure or ganga ram of the same size if you wanted something a bit more heavy hitting?

im sure others will chime in with their opinions... sit tight :D :thumbup:
 
Not bad ideas...keep an eye here for the deals of the day, or beter yet, email Yangdu and ask her if she has any *villagers* available. Full utility, a bit less polish.
 
Vil Pen is good but the 15-16.5 CAK is my Favorite...but I don't have BAS or WWII so I can't say about those 2
 
This will be boring to most of the regulars because I say it so much...

but as a carry/user, I think the 15 inch AK, villager or regular, is the best choice...at least for me.

Your first H.I. khuk will be a "WOW" experience, no matter what your choice.

Have fun.

Please read the safety thread.
 
I always found the 15" ang khola (AK) to be one of the best for someone not real familiar with using a kukri. They are not to long or are general not over weight as well as they have less curve, which I think is good for someone starting. After you get used to the weight and get the technique down then I think there are better kukris out there depending on your needs, personally I prefer a 16" baby ganga ram special (BGRS) for nearly all tasks but when I do really heavy work I will use a 18" chirwa ang khola (CAK).
 
Two months ago, I stumbled upon this site and asked the same question. I narrowed it down to a dilemma between the AK and the WWII.
I chose the 16" WWII as my first because I thought that if it was designed for the battlefield, then it should be able to handle the abuse I'll put it through during hunting season.
Kismet is right about the WOW experience. I was a bit skeptical until I opened that triangle post marked box and pulled out my first Khukuri. It was like magic...the heft, the polished blade, the grain of the sisau handle, the way it balanced and felt in my hand...man, it was surrreal.
A few weeks later, I ordered an M-43 and a Samsher. :D

What ever your decide to purchase, you will not be disappointed. Just be careful, you may end up buying more than one! :p

Good luck!
 
What ever your decide to purchase, you will not be disappointed. Just be careful, you may end up buying more than one! :p

That sure is the truth. UB once said that 80% of orders where from repeat customers. That was a few years ago and I am willing to bet that number has gone up.
 
I agree with Kis and several others who have posted. The CAK comes in a 15.5" variant that you don't see a lot of the time, and the 15" AK is the standard. The BAS comes standard at 15" and about 20 oz. Any of them are light enough and tough enough to go all day and still be easy to carry.

For me a 16.5" CAK is about as high as I want to go, although the heavier ones can be fun.

When Dan added a handle and subhilt to a knife for me, he asked me to send him a good knife, preferably a CAK. I had several really nice 16.5" ones by Kumar, but ended up sending him a 15.5" Bura. At first I thought I made a mistake as I was used to bigger choppers, but with the extra weight of the ironwood and guards, it sent from 23 to 30 oz. and now balances right at the cho. The 15.5" I sent him had such a great blade and such a poor horn handle, that I was glad to save it.

Bottom line, you can't go wrong with a 15-16" knife in any HI offering for your first.

Norm
 
Howdy, welcome. Any of the following will make a terrific first kukuri:

15" AK
16.5" WWII
15-17" (B)GRS

There are others that will work okay, but this is the short list.

John
 
gunknifenut,

Lots of good recommendations so far. The range of khukuris (and khuk-like objects, as we like to call the posers and non-functional POS stuff) is very wide. I don't think anyone has recommended any other sources besides Himalayan Imports, though. It's not that all other khukuris are junk, but it's really hard to seperate the wheat from the chaff, unless you know what you're looking for. Even after you've handled a few hundred khuks, experienced people wind up with an unexpected dud once in a while. HI produces good blades, and stands by their products. I speak from personal experience.

(By the way, get a 15" AK or WWII; step up to a 16-18" Chiruwa Ang Khola or WWII if you have big hands. And welcome to our little corner of BladeForums.)
 
Indeed...but it did stray...so in keeping with the sales area rules, was simply moved. The notable *lack* of links being provided *is* appreciated ...
 
I am not big man(5'6" 95KG in my socks) and I have tiny little hands.Nevertheless,after a couple of months,my 18"WWII fits me like a glove ,if I slip my dainty little paw to the bottom of the grip I am set for some really powerful chopping (chores!!!) but if I choke up on the grip,firmly pinching the blade twixt thumb and trigger finger I find I can twirl that sucker so that it makes like a loose propellor (C.Q.B.)a veritable glittering circle of mayhem!Therefore, my advice would be to buy bigger,but without getting silly about it.You will find that your first H.I. kuk will grow on you and you will end up getting a bigger one anyway !!!
yours et.c
Nigel
 
Might be poor ettiquette to do so in the HI forum. ;)

True. But it would also be poor ettiquette to say that everything that doesn't come from HI is junk. My thought was that, looking at the market, someone is already familiar with some of the range of khukuri companies out there. Perhaps some more info is in order:

In my mind, khukuris on the market fall into three categories:

1. Curved "tactical" blades. (also known as khuk-like objects) The Cold Steel knives exemplify this category, though I've seen other versions. They are basically curved machettes. The steel is rather thin, and handles are usually synthetic. The thin blade doesn't have enough weight to chop well in heavy woods, the handle tends to transmit shock from chopping, and there have been reports of breakage. These may work OK on light brush, but not for heavy work. The Cold Steel models are overpriced, relative to what a similar sum would get you in a real khuk.

2. Tourist junk - these are designed for show, similar to $5 Pakistani folders you get at the flea market, or most "samuri" swords. Steel is the cheapest available, and hardening is suspect. Either they will be too soft to sharpen or so hard they break with use. They may be chromed to make them shiny and pretty. Handles may be poorly secured. Some versions are stamped rather than forged. Overall, these are for hanging on your wall, not actually using. Use may be hazardous to your health.

3. Working blades - these are the real khukuri used daily in Nepal for everything from skinning animals to chopping wood, and made famous by Gorkha soldiers. Some exported versions are built a little bit better than what you might find in use. Basic features are a forged blade, differentially tempered with a hard edge and a softer spine. Ideally, the hardest part of the edge should come around the belly of the curve (the "smile" shape near the tip). A file should barely bite into this area. The tip should be soft, in case you hit a rock or knot while chopping. The blade nearer to the handle also tends to be softer than the belly, based on the hardening method used. All real khukuris have a "cho" - the weird cut-out near the handle. Handles tend to be natural materials, either horn or wood, with brass fittings. Nickle-silver or other white metal is also used. Another key feature of a quality khuk is the tang, which should go all the way through the handle and be peened over the butt cap. Lesser quality khuks have a shorter tang glued into the handle, with a nail at the buttcap. These khuks may be serviceable if otherwise well made, but the handle will come unglued eventually. Some khuks use slab handles - flat tang, with two slabs riveted to the sides (Chiruwa style). This construction is also durable, but can transmit more shock to your hand.

Forging is done by hand, usually from recycled leaf springs. Leaf springs are a venerable knife-making material. Even modern forgers in America have been known to make knives out of leaf springs, so you can get good steel if you know what to look for. HI kamis prefer Mercedes leaf springs, but other brands are used. I've seen companies claim to use railroad rails or spikes as well. I've never used such a knife, but I doubt the performance would be as good.

4. Antiques - these can be either old working blades, old tourist junk, or old fancy/dress blades. Some hundred-year-old khuks can be had for less than $100, while exceptional examples go much, much higher. There are a number of experts on the HI site who collect old blades, but it takes quite a bit of knowledge to be able to estimate fair prices. There have also been reports of old working blades being sharpened up and brought back into service. There's nothing wrong with that - many well built knives still have lots of life in them - but I'd make sure you weren't beating up something rare.


Of the working blades on the market, most seem to come out of shops in Nepal (maybe some from India?). If you've done some googling, you've probably found a few in addition to HI. I don't own any knives from other khukri companies, but the user reports I've read on Bladeforums suggest that their blades aren't junk. If you take them into the woods, you can hack stuff up without too many problems. However, I would personally buy from HI for the following reasons:

1. Cost wise, shipping is included. Some other companies charge you $40 for the knife, and $100 for shipping from Nepal.

2. Yandgu's Best Buys are really steals. $90 is an obscenely low price for a hunk of steel as large, well built, and functional as an HI khuk

3. Quality - HI fit and finish is a bit higher than what I've seen elsewhere (comparing pics on the web). HI has been in business for a bit longer than most of the other houses, so I think their kamis are a bit more experienced and better focused on the Western market (that is, we can get handles that aren't Nepali-sized. Americans tend to be larger, with larger hands). Bura is the royal kami, and probably the most experienced man in Nepal today.

4. Customer service - Your order arrives faster than just about anything in the mail. Also, if you have a problem (which does happen from time to time in a hand-made product) HI stands behind the product. Yangdu is in Reno, so you don't have to ship back and forth through international mail, customs, etc. You don't want your shipper to be 5,000 miles and three months of mail away if you get the one in 10,000 blade that fails.

5. General knowledge and helpfulness - there's a huge amount of experience on the HI forum. You can't buy that support, guidance or friendship at any price.


Sorry for the long answer to a simple question. I hope I made it clear why I prefer HI to Cold Steel, Ebay, and any of the other khuk companies out there.

So, decided on a model yet?

:cool:
 
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