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My ears are burning! It has the look of a French 1896/1923 cavalry officer sword. I am no authority on these. I would think there is a retailer or makers name somewhere and the label of what it is seems weird to me, as it doesn't share more information. French, Paris, post WWI?


These guys would know

Late 1923 model from Balp?

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GC
 
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My ears are burning! It has the look of a French 1896/1923 cavalry officer sword. I am no authority on these. I would think there is a retailer or makers name somewhere and the label of what it is seems weird to me, as it doesn't share more information. French, Paris, post WWI?


These guys would know

Late 1923 model from Balp?

Cheers
GC
Looks like you nailed it to me! Of course I am not an expert either.
 
Looks like you nailed it to me! Of course I am not an expert either.
I like to think we're men of many hats, with specialties. We all follow our interests. It is what we see, or read, and remember. Then using knowledge others have studied.

The French, especially, enjoyed customizing. This can make life difficult to identify some swords. That first link through archive.org was something I read a quarter of a century ago, while looking at old swords.

A precursor to the 1882 and 1896, aimed at French colonial officers of the 1860s. A French mounted infantry officer sword, pretty light.

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An 1854 dragoon officers sword

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GC
 
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My concern is that some features look forced - like the wear pattern on the edges of the guard. The wire wrap does not ;look as aged, and the leather seal washer is plump and still has fuzz still on it. This could have been the result of a period sword being cleaned and restored, or the result of an attempt to make a later production sword look older. As always, I would weigh Horseclover's opinion over mine.
 
My ears are burning! It has the look of a French 1896/1923 cavalry officer sword. I am no authority on these. I would think there is a retailer or makers name somewhere and the label of what it is seems weird to me, as it doesn't share more information. French, Paris, post WWI?


These guys would know

Late 1923 model from Balp?

Cheers
GC

My concern is that some features look forced - like the wear pattern on the edges of the guard. The wire wrap does not ;look as aged, and the leather seal washer is plump and still has fuzz still on it. This could have been the result of a period sword being cleaned and restored, or the result of an attempt to make a later production sword look older. As always, I would weigh Horseclover's opinion over mine.


Blade length : 840 mm
Width at the bottom of of blade: 24mm

Weight without scabbard = 900 grams

Please also go through this thread. But this says it's a curved blade. Not straight like the one in my op.Keep in mind, this blade was procured in India.

 
Pino is still around, mostly posting at that fb group

I really think it is a 20th century 1923 model from Balp, or others. Aside from Balp, WKC, Chevalier D'Auvergne, and St-Etienne were producing these as late as 2006 (Balp, St E in 1989, WKC still selling them)

So, I would really think it real, just less fine than 19th century 1896 models. They still wear the 1923. Just as the US still uses the m1902.

From Pino in another thread there

'French light cavalry regiments were officially reequipped with the M1822 back in 1937 but Chatellereault produced blades in small quantity (including for 1822 LC troopers) until 1930; nine years later in 1939 they stopped production of everything else. Under German occupation it is said they were making swords and bayonets for the Wehrmacht.

Other manufacturers such as Frances-lame, Balp and St-Etienne took over private production for officers and high ranked police/civil servants and troopers of the Republican Guard but eventually they all went bankrupt and closed: France-Lames and St-Etienne ended production in 1989 and Balp closed as late as 2006, only 12 years ago!

Today WKC and Chevalier D'Auvergne (who incorporated Frances-lames) are the only ones who produce the 7 official swords for the French Army but since the needs are no longer the same as 100 years ago, they are mostly made for dress and show rather than actual combat.'


Cheers
GC
 
Pino is still around, mostly posting at that fb group

I really think it is a 20th century 1923 model from Balp, or others. Aside from Balp, WKC, Chevalier D'Auvergne, and St-Etienne were producing these as late as 2006 (Balp, St E in 1989, WKC still selling them)

So, I would really think it real, just less fine than 19th century 1896 models. They still wear the 1923. Just as the US still uses the m1902.

From Pino in another thread there




Cheers
GC


Hmm

Did you read this thread? It covers mle F1 Saber. Same. Same inscribed on the blade in my op.

 
Right, so it is a post WWI sword (repro or not). Where it came from is either marked to a maker, or not, You have the sword in hand. I do not. Post the sword up at SBG, or the fb group, as I already pointed out the lore is there. I'm JAFO, as far as French swords go, although owning some. This might have been a WII bring back but if you say your sword is marked India, well there you go. I'm confused now as to which sword we are discussing.


Cheers
GC
 
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