Need some knowledge- ZT Flippers

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Ok, getting ready to order new ZT, most likely the 0562cf, and if I could get some help to make sure I'm not missing something, I'd really appreciate it.

I'm not a collector, I only buy stuff the will get used quite a bit.

My first zt was a 0350. I didn't like the blade, was a little heavy and only single purpose, so I got the auto triage for work.

My edc was a 707 sequel, but it was a little small, so I got a 0770 with aluminum scales. Honestly, this knife is in my pocket 75% of the time. I like the shape, the steel, the weight, the overall size, and it got me into flippers. The only thing I don't love is the assisted opening.

About a year ago I bought a 0452cf to be something that’s a little nicer than the 0770. I liked the look and the materials. The blade shape was nice, thin enough to hide in the pocket, but not "delicate". Another huge plus was the smooth ball bearing action. I loved it. However, right away, I didn't like the overall length and felt like I should have gotten the 0562cf for the blade shape and because it's a little shorter. Finally decided it wasn't for me and sold the 0452 this week.

So, do you think the 0562cf would suit me, or is there a model that I'm missing? I want a flipper that is a little bigger than my 0770, that doesn't have an assist, with upgraded materials.

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Only way your going to know is to try one or just buy one. It's a popular zt model. It's got a great action and nice looking. It's not a slicer at all but it's sharp looking. Has a few cons that zt should really improve but never does. It can fail light spine whacks and prying... But you can always exchange right away if it does.i wish it had a detent ramp. I find it annoying that it has a stop unlike most knives when closing it.

Regardless I would think you would like it. I enjoy the action, weight, ergos, but wish it was a better slicer overall... But zt's are not about that.
 
Ok, getting ready to order new ZT, most likely the 0562cf, and if I could get some help to make sure I'm not missing something, I'd really appreciate it.

I'm not a collector, I only buy stuff the will get used quite a bit.

My first zt was a 0350. I didn't like the blade, was a little heavy and only single purpose, so I got the auto triage for work.

My edc was a 707 sequel, but it was a little small, so I got a 0770 with aluminum scales. Honestly, this knife is in my pocket 75% of the time. I like the shape, the steel, the weight, the overall size, and it got me into flippers. The only thing I don't love is the assisted opening.

About a year ago I bought a 0452cf to be something that’s a little nicer than the 0770. I liked the look and the materials. The blade shape was nice, thin enough to hide in the pocket, but not "delicate". Another huge plus was the smooth ball bearing action. I loved it. However, right away, I didn't like the overall length and felt like I should have gotten the 0562cf for the blade shape and because it's a little shorter. Finally decided it wasn't for me and sold the 0452 this week.

So, do you think the 0562cf would suit me, or is there a model that I'm missing? I want a flipper that is a little bigger than my 0770, that doesn't have an assist, with upgraded materials.

https://imgur.com/a/bPZORUh

Hard to say if the 0562 will suit you or not but, if it doesn't, the "fault" will not lie w/the knife.

I own over 200 knives and about 30 ZTs, including a 0350, 0770CF, 0452CF and 0562 G10. They are all different knives in terms of size and weight, which dictates the kind of use they would be best suited for. FWIW, the G10 0562 was my 1st ZT and is still one of my favorites. However, I am a collector and I like knives in many different styles and I like each of these knives for what they look like more than for what they can do.

I also don't care if a knife is assisted or not, as long as it deploys easily and reliably, and I don't much care what blade steel comes w/the knife because I don't actually use most of them. The few knives that I actually use are cheaper knives (that I don't care whether I lose or ruin) and come w/blade steel that is durable but can still be easily sharpened on the spot w/a pocket stone. You can't do that with premium steels (like M390) and when they dull you need to have special skill & equipment to do the job yourself or have to send them to someone who does. Not something that I'd care to do.

I like the 0350 mainly because it's an Onion designed knife and I like the styling of most of his knives, which is why I collect them. I own many of his Kershaw and CRKT knives (including some expensive vintage models) and I own his ZT 0200, 0300, 0350ST & SW, the derivative 0360SKD and the 0400. I am currently carrying a previously used 0400 that I acquired cheap but I am waiting to receive a 0400 that's LNIB that will remain unused. That said, I agree that the blade shape (particularly the tip) on the 0350 is not all that practical for general use and there are many other knives that would be better suited for such use.

I also like the 0770CF and I think it is probably the best suited of the 4 for EDC use. However, it is not my favorite because I prefer larger and heavier knives. I just bought it because I like the way it looks, got a good price on it and there's a connection to the Kershaw Natrix 7007 which I also like and that I actually carry because that knife only costs about $30.

Of the 4, I like the 0452CF the most. It is among my favorite ZTs because it checks off a lot of boxes for me. It has a 4" blade, it's thin and easy to carry despite its length in my front cargo pants pocket (if I wanted to to that), the CF handle and SW blade are very attractive and the blade deploys smoothly and easily despite its size w/o any assistance. It would make a great stabbing and slicing knife, which makes it good for general use but also very effective for SD purposes (which is the main reason that I carry a knife).

Lastly, as already mentioned, the 0562 was my 1st ZT and is still one of my favorite ZTs. It is the closest thing you can get to a Hinderer XM-18 3.5 Slicer without paying over twice as much for one. It's about a good a knife as you can buy for any price. The drop point shaped blade is suitable for any general purpose you use it for. The blade deploys quickly and smoothly every time and there is no lock stick problem. The blade steel will be either CPM 20CV or CTS-204P which is more than durable enough for hard use w/o need for frequent sharpening but you will probably still have to have special skill & equipment (or have to send it to someone who does) to properly sharpen it when it dulls. The shape of the handle for my medium sized hands is also virtually ideal. Some knives like the 0200 and 0400 are more contoured and feel better in my hand but their recurved blade shape (quite radical in the case of the 0400) notably limits their use. That's not a problem w/the 0562. The 0562 has some heft, which I like and which I think makes the knife more durable and better for heavy use.

So, I highly recommend the 0562 but, if you are actually going to carry and use it as an EDC, I would recommend that you get it in G10, not CF because the G10 will provide a better grip and will cost less. ZT's CF scales look nice but can become slick and difficult to hold securely when wet. Also, you're paying mainly for the "looks" of the CF. The weight difference between G10 and CF is negligible but not the cost. Also, one generally doesn't like to mess up a "pretty" knife (at least I don't) and you're less likely to worry about that (if it's a concern of yours) if you buy the G10 version instead.

Hope you find these comments helpful in making a decision regarding the 0562.
 
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The 0562 is a great design. I have the 0562 in elmax and g10. It definitely has some weight to it. I think it has good edge geometry considering how thick the blade stock is. The pocket clip is great design, probably my favorite out of all zt’s.

One other zt I always like but never own is the 0095. Based on the other ones you own/owed you may like the design. Blade stock looks to be thinner than the 0562.

I also own a 0566. It came assisted but I took out the spring and removed the flipper tab. I also added thin slotted pb washers on top of larger diameter solid pb washer to get the action silky smooth. But that’s another story. Still are good knife either way.

I also like the 0220. I think they were just discontinued. You may be able to get a good deal on one.
 
Wow, thank you so much for the replies!
SGT 1372, that was a very helpful reply and you brought up a bunch of really great points. I have medium sized hands and the 452 felt like a a sword every time I opened it. I think I’ll probably end up with the 0562, but I’m going to look at the g10 version a little harder and also see if I can find a place locally that carries all the varieties.

The 0609 looks interesting at first glance, and very lightweight. And the 0095 looks great too. I’ve got some homework.
 
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Wow, thank you so much for the replies!
SGT 1372, that was a very helpful reply and you brought up a bunch of really great points. I have medium sized hands and the 452 felt like a a sword every time I opened it. I think I’ll probably end up with the 0562, but I’m going to look at the g10 version a little harder and also see if I can find a place locally that carries all the varieties.

The 0609 looks interesting at first glance, and very lightweight. And the 0095 looks great too. I’ve got some homework.

You're welcome. Articulating my thoughts on my knives helps me justify their purchase and clarify my thinking about what kind of knives I like and why I want to buy them. If it helps others in the process that's even better.

Regarding the 0609, it's a "nice" knife but does not have the size/heft that I like. I bought a 0609BLUBLK but immediately returned it because it was too small and too light. It's the only ZT that I didn't like the 1st time that I picked it up and the only one that I didn't want to keep (at least for awhile). I do not think that it would be a very good knife for an EDC. More a "gentleman's knife than a knife that you would use cutting things at home, work or play. IMO, the 0562 would still be the better choice between the 2.

BTW, I'm feeling the same way about a G10 Sprint 0450 that I recently bought and I'll probably resell it at some point.
 
If you like the 0770, but not the assist; remove the spring.
As far as the 0562, I can't comment because, having an 0560, I never felt the draw. If your use actually involves cutting things, the 0095 is far better suited to that task. I also like the 0456 - it's a "small" knife that feels larger than it is.
 
My ZT experience is limited to these 4.
My favorite is definitely the 0562 (Elmax).

Like you I haven't really warmed to the 0452 that much, as nice as it is.

The 0562 is a bit more hefty, around 5 1/2 oz, so bear that in mind. Personally I have no issue carrying it, though it's more of a work knife for me.
I find it's ergos are excellent, it still flips nice after a few years, and whilst I could part with the 0561 or 0452, I won't let the 0562 go.

I don't know if it would suit you personally, but a lot of people like it.
I'll leave it up to others to recommend other models.

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I imagine that the OP has some reason for zeroing in on ZT, but, I would advise giving serious consideration to WE, Reate, and Kizer. If you’re looking for a dedicated work-knife manual flipper, ZT’s catalog is honestly kind of limited.

I would say the 0801Ti is probably the most utilitarian model in current production, with the 0095 being close behind. The 0808 (I think it’s discontinued but not too terribly difficult to find) is also a very good knife for real usage.

Having said all of that, I want to recommend a knife that is in very different when compared to what ZT produces: The Spyderco Manix2.

Between the handle design, blade shape, and materials, it’s one of the finest cutting tools to ever see mass production.
 
I can't recommend the 0562cf enough. I only owned one ZT until recently, that being a 0450cf, which is one of my favorite knives in my EDC rotation.

I always had my eye on a 0562cf but never wanted to spend that type of money when honestly all these awesome Spydercos are always releasing and they became a priority. Well, I came upon a deal I couldn't refuse for a new 0562cf in the exchange here and pulled the trigger. My only regret is I didn't buy one earlier. It's an amazing knife and although it's larger than most other knives in my EDC rotation it really disappears in the pocket and does anything I could ever ask for. I don't think you'll be disappointed with it, but if so you'll be able to quickly sell for what you paid for it.
 
I've had a 0562 in Elmax for several years & like it so much that I bought the Ti/20v version when it became available last month. I have a few ZTs & I can't say if the 562 is going to be right for you, but I've always thought that if I could have only one ZT it'd have to be the 0562.
 
I've had my 0562cf going on 4 years now. Love the knife. Don't believe people that say it will fail a spine whack. A tiny fraction will much like with every company. Mine doesn't. It also cuts just fine for what I use a pocket knife for.

If you like the 0770, but not the assist; remove the spring.
Does it have a closing detent to keep the blade closed? Most assisted knives don't so removing the spring is a no go.
 
Does it have a closing detent to keep the blade closed? Most assisted knives don't so removing the spring is a no go.
I haven't done it myself - just never got around to it - but there have been a few threads here in which people said they had done it; and I have communicated with some of them privately to confirm that they haven't had any issues after de-assisting the 0770.
I'm not going to have time today; but maybe that will be my project for tomorrow morning.
 
I have a 0562 in Elmax/G10 and for a long time it was my favorite ZT. Eventually it fell out of favor because in use it wasn't a very great slicer. Also, and this part is hard to explain, but somehow the knife sounded "hollow" and "clangy" when locking into place. I'm sure it's just a "me" problem but eventually it lost out it's place in my EDC to knives that were more efficient cutters while taking up less pocket real estate.

I think my two favorite ZTs that I own are the 0609 and the 0392 (which were a Limited Edition and can only be found on secondary market).

I'd also suggest taking a look at the new 0470. It's a 3.5 inch knife with 0.12" blade stock, much thinner than typically used by ZT. It's only 3.3 ounces and less than a half inch wide so it should have a similar pocket presence as the 0452 without the "sword in my hand" feel. Full disclosure; I don't own an 0470 and have never handled one but the looks and the specs have it on my radar.
 
I haven't done it myself - just never got around to it - but there have been a few threads here in which people said they had done it; and I have communicated with some of them privately to confirm that they haven't had any issues after de-assisting the 0770.
I'm not going to have time today; but maybe that will be my project for tomorrow morning.
It should be pretty easy to recognize if there is a closing detent. If there isn't I wouldn't do it but to each their own.
 
IMO,if you like the 0562 there is no reason not to go for it.
It is a great knife with great action and a very capable work knife.
My complain about the 0562 and other hinderer knives in the ZT line up is about the grip which is not the best for my medium hand
It is good in saber grip but that is almost it
My personal preferences go for more neutral handles but has you didn’t enjoy the 0452 maybe it will be just the other way round for you

By the way have a look at the new 0562Ti

I think the 0801Ti is also the be considered a small it share a lot with the 0562 in term of action and robustness
For what I am concerned I prefer the ergonomics of the 0801

The knife which has most impressed me recently was the 0640. Not a flyer and no bearing but what an action!
Maybe too comparable to the 0452 for you likes

Coming back to hinderer designs I am waiting to receive a 0393. I have handled it in a shop and I like the ergonomics a bit better than on the 0562 and it has a great action
Many color and steels variations are available at the moment however: it look less classy than the 0562 and it doesn’t come with a deep carry clip as does the 0562 (great clip on the 0562 by the way).

Last point is about price.
If you want to beat your knife maybe a cheaper option can be worth considering. WE and CIVIVI have good flippers for half the price of a ZT.

I like ZT so I won’t say it is the same overall quality but clearly for an expendable knife they can be really worth it
 
OP - you did not tell us what the knife will be used for and how often it will be used. So, you probably just want to have a better knife (better in the sense of smooth action, premium material, good looking, and fun to fondle). If so, I agree ZT 0562 or 0562cf is definitely a great choice.

As for actual use especially cutting/slicing performance, even with a slicer grind ZT 0562 is still quite thick behind the edge. There are far more better cutters/slicers at or below the price than ZT 0562. I am not knocking ZT 0562 (as I have three).
 
OP, from your initial post it sounds like a 0562 would be perfect for you!
Like you, I find the 0452 a remarkable knife, but too much a pocket sword.
Just be advised the 0562 is about an ounce heavier. That matters to some folks.

I say go for it and don’t look back!
 
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