Need some translation help

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Ordered a bunch of the AC kuks. 2 Big Leafs, 2 Borgs, 3 WW1, 3 WW2. The WW1s were all WW2s, they all had marks from 41 to 45 so i am sending the whole lot back to exchange for WW1s.

The 2 big leafs do have inscriptions on the ridge, could some translate? I might keep these.

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From the Big one on top, thick blade massive handle

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From the smaller one on the bottom.

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I'll try to put some comments/translations up for these tomorrow.

--B.
 
Sri chandra om garu 3112 -- looks like salute to moon with number
Sri janga 2146 -- maybe referal to prime minister

sri 3 pancha -- maybe three salutes salute to fifth something

Yangdu
 
Thanks Yangdu. I take it these are pretty standard carvings on older kukris or do they have some significance?

thanks
alf
 
the big one:

shrii 3 cha~ndra - garaao 3197

lit., 'honoured 3 moon - ? 3197' (I'll have to look up garaao)

the 2nd one:

shrii jiig [jag?] 7146 shrii 3 chandra

lit., 'honoured ? 7146 honoured 3 moon' (i'll have to work more on this one word jiig/jaag).


my readings seem to be close to Yangdu's, but not exactly the same. The main difference is in the 3 words following the numbers for the smaller one. She reads 'shrii 3 panch'. This bit is somewhat hard to read, and is rather crudely executed, but I am certain it is (or is meant to be) 'shrii 3 chandra'. If one looks closely one will see the beginning akshara is not a 'pa', but a 'ca'. Anyway, the reason I am sure beyond this is that this phrase 'shrii 3 chandra' appears on all of the kukris from the AC horde which have nagari inscriptions on the spines.


for the meaning. The recurrent phrase 'shrii 3 chandra' is somewhat difficult to know its exact reference. Literal translation is no problem, it should be something like 'thrice honoured moon'. But I am almost certain it is actually a name, but whether a name of a regiment or a person, I don't know. The formula 'shrii 3' used to be part of the Rana Prime Ministers' title (the King's was, and still is, 'shrii 5' - five times honoured). 'chandra', literally "moon", is a fairly common male name-element. So it could refer to a prime minister, or maybe a general, or perhaps it is the name of a regiment or other military division.


The numbers, I don't know. Obviously some sort of cataloguing, but of what?

the final remaining word on both of these, 'garaao' (or 'garu') and 'jiig' (or 'jaag' or 'jang' or 'jing'?) has so far been different on each of the AC kukris I have seen. It seems again either to be a personal name or the name of some smaller military division. Though the 2nd possibility seems increasingly unlikely as I have yet to see 2 of these kukris with exactly the same word.

I'll try to make out what these words 'jiig' (or whatever it is) and 'garaao' mean, and let you know.

For some other examples of these, I have substantial comments on this thread (where are some photos of other inscriptions too):

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=271213


edit: p.s. on your question about the standard-ness of these inscriptions. These kukris from some cache that AC is selling are the first kukris I have seen with devanagari inscriptions of this kind. I think also JP (the kukri expert) said that he has never seen this sort of thing on kukris before either. So it doesn't seem to be standard. But there may be more caches of kukris (whether they still exist or not) which would tell us a different story.

the meaning of the inscriptions (beyond the literal meaning) is somewhat obscure to me still. essentially each seems to bear 2 names (one is always the same, 'shrii 3 chandra', and one is different) and a 3 or 4 digit number. so it is some sort of catalogueing I assume, whether for use or storage or something else, I don't know.


best,
B.
 
Beoram
Thanks for the translation. On a different topic, please let me know if you ever decide to sell some of your laminated kukris.

alf
 
Alf,
Before you send all these kukris back you may want to look at some of the other threads concerning these nice, authentic kukris offered by AC.

Your first batch had 2 of the rarer Nepali made Mk II which they refer to as WW I. You also got a nice M 43 and 2 K45. All marked and all desirable. This picture you show a very nice "long leaf" and what could be a cross between a "bhojpure" and "long leaf". It would be unique in that it has spine markings. The knives are correct but not described accurately. Item C is based on a WW I design and item D is pre 1900 like A and B.

Quote: "...but i know nothing about Kukris" so maybe it was beginer's luck since all the ones you have shown are in better shape than many, are marked properly and a lot of kukri collectors would want.
 
John
Thanks for the info. Could you tell me which is which? I take it the 2 45s are the ones marked HW45, would the 2 Nepali Mk II be the JNB and the Pioneer? The nice M43 would be the CWM marked one?

alf
 
Originally posted by Bill Martino
Sri chandra om garu 3112 -- looks like salute to moon with number
Sri janga 2146 -- maybe referal to prime minister

sri 3 pancha -- maybe three salutes salute to fifth something

Yangdu


OK, I looked up the two 'mystery words'.

On the 2nd (smaller) kukri, the 2nd word appears to be 'jang', as Yangdu said. The prime minister she refers to I assume would be Jung Bahadur - it is a possible reference, esp. with the preceding 'shrii' (can mean something like 'sir', 'honoured'). But 'jang' itself also just means 'war, battle', etc. Maybe in this case also 'warrior, soldier' (??).

the first one, the larger kukri, the form 'garaao' or 'garu' or whatever it is meant to be (it is a rather strange form in any case, the way it is written I mean), is more uncertain. Possibly intended for 'garaalo' ("horizontal bar", "crosspiece" ?!) or 'garo' ("terraced field" ?!) or 'garud' ("eagle") or 'garal' ("poison", "venom") or 'garau~' ("heavy, grievous, important" ?!) or some form of the verb 'garnu' ("to make", "to do"). It is hard to know - the form seems corrupt or deviant to me.


--Ben
 
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