Negative Fredback Reversal Request

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jjoanty01

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I made an agreement with another member through the trading forum to trade knives. We exchanged addresses and all was good. I paid for shipping charges plus insurance. Then the other member said he wanted to hold off on trading for a day. Long story short (too much drama to post publicly), he traded with someone else.

I left negative feedback on the transaction as he backed out after I had paid for shipping and insurance. He then left me negative feedback saying I was " Unreasonable and Malicious"

Can this negative feedback be removed?
 
Why the big hurry to leave negative iTrader feedbsck? The first step should have been a thread in GBU. You could have given us the timeline and the facts and what happened to your knife.

Spark is the only one who can reverse iTrader feedback. I would think he is pretty well fed up with the reckless use of it this year.
 
There was a lot of drama behind the scenes on this one. I am a very fair person but this one transaction was a bit more than one could tolerate.
 
It is clearly written in the Exchange rules that if there is no deal then no iTrader feedback should be left. You can both keep the negative feedback as far as I'm concerned.
 
There was a deal. We agreed to trade. I purchased postage. He changed his mind and then blew me off. At what point is a "deal" considered to be? If I had dropped it off at the post office? Shouldn't an email be considered a deal in writing? Why have negative feedback if you get dinged for using it? These are honest questions. I am not trying to be or sound defiant.
 
A deal was discussed. Neither one of you shipped or took possession of each other's property. It's all written in the rules.

SECTION 4 - Rules for Feedback -
- All feedback on sales or trades must be kept to the Feedback Forum and/or iTrader. Do not clutter up a sales thread with it.
- It is not mandatory to leave feedback, but it is highly recommended. It serves an important purpose sharing your good and bad experiences with the community. If you need help ask us, we can help. There is only so much we can do, we are not able to help with deals that occurred on Facebook, Instagram, eBay or other places.
- We will not edit feedback for you unless it's an obvious error (ie negative rating). You can report it using the black triangle button on the iTrader page and be patient.
- Retaliatory negative feedback ratings can earn you an infraction. Getting pissed off because a deal didn't go though is no reason to try and ruin someones rep. You are expected to conduct yourself in a mature and responsible manner, failure to do so will result in warnings or infractions as necessary.
- If a deal did not happen, there is no iTrader Feedback to leave. Sorry if you were inconvenienced, but life is full of disappointments. As long as you are not out any items or money, move along. Consider improving the terms of your sales threads / read the sellers terms carefully in order to avoid this before buying.
- Threads started in the Feedback: G, B, & U section should contain facts that support your reason for starting a thread. Remember there is a difference between opinion and fact. Keep your topic civil or hold off posting until you've composed yourself. Complaining about a person that has exercised their rights as a seller or buyer does no good, and it may backfire on you.
- You need to be able to communicate in a clear, accurate, and organized manner. Insults, vulgarity, racist comments will not be tolerated whatsoever.
- Dog-piling for the sake of putting your 2 cents in is not going to be tolerated. If you have something useful to contribute, share it with confidence. If you are only going to contribute some silly comment, save it and move along. This has been a growing problem and we are going to be more proactive to lessen it.
 
It does say as long as your not out items or money, I am out the shipping and insurance charges. Not much, a mere $9, but still out money. Agreement to trade and I am out money. So still no deal?

Rule #6 under trading states "Communication is key, honor your word. If you say you will do something, then do it. Since we are not dealing face to face, your word and integrity is all you will be judged on."
 
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That is where the GBU thread comes in. Calling out the person involved is important in resolution attempts.
 
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And can you get a refund on shipping if you don't use it? I know you can when paying online. Don't know about in person.

Feedback is a dangerous thing. It is kind of like a college degree. When you get one it just means you were able to jump through the hopes and not mess up so much they wouldn't take your money or kick you out. It doesn't actually say anything about how well you did in college. Feedback is similar. Most people have all positives. People who use it wrong or truly screw people will have a negative or two but not many else. Can't say I have ever seen a neutral. The real issues get brought up in the GB&U. That is kind of like your college transcript rather than your degree. It can tell the real tales.

Okay, weird analogy. It made sense in my head.
 
I want to remember that when the feedback system was first installed there was an effective safe guard. New members were only allowed to give neutral feedback until they had been here for a while. I could be wrong though, I mod at several forums.

Wouldn't be a bad idea if its possible to do that here. The misuse seems overwhelmingly by newer members.

As Esav stated, the owner is getting weary of the misuse. Wouldn't be difficult at all to throw the switch and turn it off. Problem solved.
 
leatherman said:
I want to remember that when the feedback system was first installed there was an effective safe guard. New members were only allowed to give neutral feedback until they had been here for a while. I could be wrong though, I mod at several forums.

Wouldn't be a bad idea if its possible to do that here. The misuse seems overwhelmingly by newer members.

As Esav stated, the owner is getting weary of the misuse. Wouldn't be difficult at all to throw the switch and turn it off. Problem solved.
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I wasn't here then but wouldn't like that as giving and receiving positive and negative feedback is a way to build up your reputation on the forum, for better or worse.

Plus it's not just new users that misuse the itrader system, this thread for example. Just like with PayPal Gift, it is the users responsibility to learn the rules and practices of the systems they use and if they don't care to, well you reap what you sow.
 
benchwarmer380 said:
I wasn't here then but wouldn't like that as giving and receiving positive and negative feedback is a way to build up your reputation on the forum, for better or worse.

Plus it's not just new users that misuse the itrader system, this thread for example. Just like with PayPal Gift, it is the users responsibility to learn the rules and practices of the systems they use and if they don't care to, well you reap what you sow.
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I agree with this completely! The itrader feedback system (although not perfect), is a tool that without a doubt, has swayed me away from possible transactions, that I otherwise may have jumped on, & visa versa; it also has given me the peace of mind, knowing that I'm dealing with a straight shooter.
 
KELAMA said:
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I agree with this completely! The itrader feedback system (although not perfect), is a tool that without a doubt, has swayed me away from possible transactions, that I otherwise may have jumped on, & visa versa; it also has given me the peace of mind, knowing that I'm dealing with a straight shooter.
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This was what I believe the feedback system is for. This person backed out of a trade. Wouldn't you all like to know that a person may back out of a trade? I mean, what if they have done this 10, 20, 30 times or more? Would anyone know if the don't go to GBU? Even then, most people wouldn't take the time to create a thread about it. I have been here for a while. I have traded more than my feedback shows as not everyone chooses to post feedback. Am I totally wrong?
 
There are two feedback systems here on Bladeforums. Itrader and The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly. Itrader is for completed transactions and The GB&U is the place to where you can inform others of deals or experiences with other members in detail.

You agreed to a trade and purchased a shipping label. The other member backs out. Did you inform him that you already paid for shipping? If so, how did that go? What was the time frame that this all happened? An hour? An evening? Within a couple of days?

Each situation is different and details matter. Details are better explained in a thread than an 80 character itrader remark anyways.

If you use the Exchange to any degree and do not go to the GB&U you are doing yourself a disservice.
 
benchwarmer380 is right. Any deal that may be going bad should never get an iTrader rating until a discussion has taken place in the Good, the Bad, the Ugly. This allows seller, buyer, bystanders, and moderators to understand those all-important details. It often allows buyer and seller to correct misunderstandings and leave with a deal in place on good terms. An iTrader rating then will reflect a dispassionate, consensus reality.
 
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