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Was at a local chain home improvement store last night and saw the sale area, had a Buck 119 for a good price..looked good to me as I am not in the know on Bucks anymore i guess. Took it home, broke it out of the plastic box and got a good feel of the grip. I got to say, it didnt feel great, seemed like maybe the quiality has gone down a little as the blade and whole knife actually felt kinda cheap. I am so dissapointed as i remember the Buck i had growing up was, in my opinion, a phenominal knife. Sadly i lost it fishing right before i graduated. Am i being too hard on the knife or am i on point? Sheath is mexican, but a nice quality. Says made in USA for knife and lifetime warrenty. Gonna put it through its workout tonight..Farm work will show its true colors.
 
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AFAIK the 119 Special is built today pretty much the same way it's been built for years. The phenolic handle isn't for everyone but IMHO it has nothing to do with quality or lack of, it's just the way that design is. I've got more 120's over a longer time frame than I do the 119 but they are similar construction. I can tell a difference in the shape of the handles over the years but as far as feel goes they are all pretty much the same.

Oh, you might want to edit the price and or location of purchase to avoid being in violation of the rule against "deal spotting".
 
yikes, sorry bout the deal spotting thing, didnt know...fixed it..I am surely gonna give it a chance and use and abuse the crap out of it. I just like the idea and traditions of Buck knives.
 
Bucks my favorite by all means, but I to feel the old stuff was a tad bit better. My newest buck is from 99 I think.
 
I have a mid 70s 105 and I do think the extra handle spacers from that time period make the knives look a little more "solid" or "heavy", especially the spacer behind the guard, which I don't think applies to the old 119s though.
 
I have a mid 70s 105 and I do think the extra handle spacers from that time period make the knives look a little more "solid" or "heavy", especially the spacer behind the guard, which I don't think applies to the old 119s though.

The standard 100 series knives have only had 2 spacers since 1982. The spacer between the handle and guard was removed in 1981 leaving 3 and the spacer between the handle and pommel was removed in 1982 leaving 2. That is the official dating although I personally suspect it may have happened earlier in the 119 and 120 than the other models.
 
Was at a local chain home improvement store last night and saw the sale area, had a Buck 119 for a good price..looked good to me as I am not in the know on Bucks anymore i guess. Took it home, broke it out of the plastic box and got a good feel of the grip. I got to say, it didnt feel great, seemed like maybe the quiality has gone down a little as the blade and whole knife actually felt kinda cheap. I am so dissapointed as i remember the Buck i had growing up was, in my opinion, a phenominal knife. Sadly i lost it fishing right before i graduated. Am i being too hard on the knife or am i on point? Sheath is mexican, but a nice quality. Says made in USA for knife and lifetime warrenty. Gonna put it through its workout tonight..Farm work will show its true colors.

Spider 991,

Probably more as a rationalization for accumulating more knives, I decided to update my hiking gear with Becker knives. I accumulated the BK2, BK7, BK7, BK9, BK10 & BK12. I acquired sheaths more appropriate to hiking and then some new scales. Years ago I accumulated Buck knives in the same way. I haven't been a "constant accumulator" but I seem to do this from time to time. When I found some nice (appropriate for hiking) sheaths for my Buck 119, 120 & 124 I began taking them seriously once again.

I did buy a new 119 like the one you have, but I still have my old Buck/119/USA. That dating code means I bought it between 1978 and 1986. I didn't use it all that much because it rattled in the Buck sheath so it is in virtually new condition. There are differences, but they are mostly in the blade shape. I think the 2014 version of the 119 holds an edge better then the Buck/119/USA version. As to the other differences they don't in my opinion amount to much; they certainly don't apply to quality of build -- at least not in the two knives I have as far as I can tell.

Now perhaps because of my Becker experience the stock 119 seemed way too light. What I would recommend to you if you can manage it is to buy a Buck 119 with a Cocobolo handle. From someone who moved from handling a lot of Becker knives to handling the Buck knives, the Cocobolo handles being heavier and more study-seeming inspire more confidence IMO.

Having spent the last little while accumulating Buck knives (mostly 119s, but also a cocobolo-handled 120 and a used Rosewood-handled 124) I couldn't help but notice that the Buck knives seem capable of lasting almost forever. In looking at my Becker knives I wonder if that will be true of them. Becker knives are subject to rust and the Buck knives don't seem to be. Becker sellers don't emphasize the rust danger but if you buy a Becker BK12, aka Doug Ritter MSK MK2 you may notice the comment "The 1095 steel is not rust resistant in the least, so you will need to take appropriate care of the blade to prevent rust, including the laser engraved portions and the threaded holes for the tapered plugs if the plugs are removed. I recommend a dry film rust inhibitor such as Sentry Solutions TUF-CLOTH or TUF-GLIDE, but you can use any rust preventative or treatment you prefer, or none at all. If you do not take precautions, it will rust. Rusting of the knife is NOT covered by the warranty." And Doug Ritter's BK12 uses the same steel as the rest of the Becker knives. Also, Doug Ritter put the same anti-rust coating on the BK12 as Becker put on the rest of the other BK knives I acquired.

Having said that, I need to say that all the above comments comes from the viewpoint of a hiker. If you want to do all that Youtube type camping stuff to demonstrate that you can produce a fire, for example, without matches, best stick to your Becker knives. I was questioned here about whether a Buck 124 would baton well and said I wouldn't recommend it. I'm sure it will, but it was patterned after a diving knive, the Nemo 122 and batoning was far from the designers mind. If you want to baton with the Buck 119, the steel is as thick as that of the BK7 or BK12 (and if not it is too close for me to tell the difference) but the 119 has a clip blade with a nearly sharpened back edge. I don't do any batoning on my hikes but I would think that you couldn't help but have a problem with the clip.

Over here on the Buck forum no one seems to be out there trying to start fires without matches, but there is a line of Buck knives that seem better suited to that task than the old 119, 120 & 124. They were created apparently during the Zombie fad and still have Zombie-type names. Check out the Buck Thug for example. The Thug looks as though it would baton as well as the BK7, but Buck is coming late to the batoning game and the Zombie names for its knives don't help sales IMO.

Lawrence
 
Bucks my favorite by all means, but I to feel the old stuff was a tad bit better. My newest buck is from 99 I think.

Do you have any production Bucks made today? Why was the older stuff made better, was there better QC or technology has taken over and there's less final touches?
 
Spacers...that's what's missing....thanks guys..knew it was different

You have to go pretty far back to the 60s-early 70s for extra spacers on the 119. Not my knife, but they looked like this...

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The Buck "Zombie fad" knives as you refer to them are based on designs by Ron Hood and I believe made as a collaboration between Ron and Buck. Pretty sure the names as such were part of Ron's contribution as well. Nothing to do with zombies but rather woodscraft.

http://www.cdapress.com/news/local_news/article_3a26be61-7a53-53bf-92d8-3196fb5446b1.html?mode=jqm

Very interesting, Badhammer. I wondered how those knives were selling. It is a rare thread here that mentions them -- at least as long as I've been monitoring here. One person who had just purchased a Buck Reaper asked the forum why the Buck Reaper got no respect. No one responded to his note if I recall correctly; so I jumped in and speculated. Those on the forum don't seem to be the sort of people out there on weekends chopping and feathering and maybe his note should be better posted over on the Becker forum where most people seem to like that sort of thing. I think it was this guy who thought interest might have dwindled along with the Zombie craze -- but maybe it was me. ;)

Lawrence
 
The Buck "Zombie fad" knives as you refer to them are based on designs by Ron Hood and I believe made as a collaboration between Ron and Buck. Pretty sure the names as such were part of Ron's contribution as well. Nothing to do with zombies but rather woodscraft.

http://www.cdapress.com/news/local_news/article_3a26be61-7a53-53bf-92d8-3196fb5446b1.html?mode=jqm

Very interesting, Badhammer. I wondered how those knives were selling. It is a rare thread here that mentions them -- at least as long as I've been monitoring here. One person who had just purchased a Buck Reaper asked the forum why the Buck Reaper got no respect. No one responded to his note if I recall correctly; so I jumped in and speculated. Those on the forum don't seem to be the sort of people out there on weekends chopping and feathering and maybe his note should be better posted over on the Becker forum where most people seem to like that sort of thing. I think it was this guy who thought interest might have dwindled along with the Zombie craze -- but maybe it was me. ;)

Lawrence
 
The Hoodlum, Punk and Thug are part of Buck/Hood survival line. The Sentry, Intrepid, Reaper and Nighthawk models are part of their Tactical series and aren't associated with Ron Hood. The Nighthawks have a Tops association now but originally I don't know if they did or not.

IMHO Buck's mainstay has been and continues to be the hunting and or pocket knife crowd. They make a lot of different models and carry survival, tactical, fishing, etc. but I'd wager that most of us long time members and Buck collectors still favor the older styles when it gets right down to it which might explain less back and forth on certain "newer" models.
 
Do you have any production Bucks made today? Why was the older stuff made better, was there better QC or technology has taken over and there's less final touches?

Well I have had current production ones, and I've returned them because of various reasons. Also I'm partial to the old grind they used. And I like 440c better, and a lot of the 425m also
 
The Hoodlum, Punk and Thug are part of Buck/Hood survival line. The Sentry, Intrepid, Reaper and Nighthawk models are part of their Tactical series and aren't associated with Ron Hood. The Nighthawks have a Tops association now but originally I don't know if they did or not.

IMHO Buck's mainstay has been and continues to be the hunting and or pocket knife crowd. They make a lot of different models and carry survival, tactical, fishing, etc. but I'd wager that most of us long time members and Buck collectors still favor the older styles when it gets right down to it which might explain less back and forth on certain "newer" models.

I agree with this!

Also, the Ron Hood collaboration knives seem to be named with a play on his name....
Hood led to Hoodlum...then similar words to Hoodlum would be Thug and Punk.

I have a Thug, and it is an awesome knife.

Also, the Reaper and other models must sell well, or Buck would not still offer them.
We here on this forum are a tiny percentage of buyers, so perhaps those buying them, just aren't members here.....
 
I bought a 119 about 2 years ago now and i can tell you it's one of the best fixed blades on the market today

I use mine on the farm at the camp site just about everything its never failed me

I've beat throw hard wood used it as a can opener I've pry with it chop with it You name it I've done it with my 119
Heck I've used it as a throwing knife (not that great for that lol)

So if any one thinks that the 119 is week or cheap think again.

ZTD
 
Well I have had current production ones, and I've returned them because of various reasons. Also I'm partial to the old grind they used. And I like 440c better, and a lot of the 425m also

I like the 420HC as it's easy to sharpen and stays sharp but wish the current production ones were a little better in the form and function department. I sent 2 303's back thinking the springs must be a little off because of how weak they are, but when I got the third one it was the same as the first two. I got tired of sending knives back so I just decided to keep it.
 
Good to hear this guys! The more I handle this the more I like it...I live on a farm and it will surely be put to the test...I'm hoping it will be as tough as my beckers. And Lawrence, you are right, the weight difference from Beckers in very noticeable. But the buck sure is perty..we will she if she is tough. Thanks again guys
 
Pretty sure I was in the same store today, had a hard time not getting a 119 at that price. Did get a 55 pretty cheap.
 
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