Thankyou everyone,I came across these from a guy that was moving away from collecting folders and combat style knives to collecting chef knives.Both of these are mint in box with all the bits and pieces as well as the paperwork.As you may see from my posts in other places,I also got some older Sogs,Cold Steel and Randall knives.Most are MIB,but some show polishing,sharpening and/or carriage.My favourite(for now)though is the Stag/Damascus 110.Long live the King!!