So I finally went out this weekend and got a new 119. It was interesting comparing it to my 1987 619. It's much heavier due to the handle material but I actually don't mind the added weight. The handle is similar in width and length but the older Kraton model is very "square". The new Phanolic handle is a bit more rounded on the corners which really fits the hand better. I was pleasantly surprised to see the leather sheath had a drain hole in the bottom, nice touch, along with the plastic liner. Over all I'm very impressed with the quality, fit and finish of this knife, especially for what they cost. Having had my 619 for 24 years I appreciate the blade design, nice to see they haven't changed anything there is what, over 40-50 years? If it aint broke, don't fix it. Anyway, I have an ESEE Junglass and a Sawvivor for buchcraft and fire making/batoning so never plan on using any other knives for such bashing but I imagine the 119 would baton fine. Any of you batoned with your 119's, how did it work? I love Bucks and own many but it your big into batoning you have to check out the ESEE Junglas, AMAZING tool.