New Dual Survival

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I caught bits and pieces of the new Dual Survival pairing. I was disappointed to see the same old scenarios, like a last match issue. And the same personality conflict formulas, military dude conflicting with his hippy tree hugger (literally) opposite. When the hippy/hillbilly started crying when he couldn't start a primitive fire, I was done. So it appears that they now have a set formula for the show. Create conflict between the characters by using the same opposing personality/philosophies until they burn out, then bring in a fresh set. The scenes change but the format/scenarios appear to be static.
 
I think there's another thread about dual survival but I'm not sure. But I agree the formula of the show is so overplayed. It's not about survival or skills or anything, at least in the first episodes of the show it was somewhat about the techniques used.
 
Last night's show was not bad. I liked it. Bill McConnell is no hippy dude and I believe he's x-military also even though they don't mention it.

Got a kick out of the moonshiner series on Discover.... they were making shine in a cave and their flame kept going out... they checked and the flame decreased as you moved to the floor of the cave. Seem they don't know much about carbon dioxide.
 
I think the theme is played out,mass many others have said.
I wish discovery would pick up Creek Stewart for a show. Fat guys in the woods was at least "clean" enough for my kids to watch. also, the techniques on that show were never outlandish or bizarre.
 
I looks to me that they scrip the show and make both guys seem to conflict with each other. Grudy (I think his name) was on another show survival Alaska or something and he came across as a much nicer guy on that show. While on this show he comes across as a diffrent personalty . It all part of selling ratings, we all know good news don't sell as well as bad news. I bet off camera they are good drinking buddies.
ON the show I think they tend to rib each other as good buddies will compare to looking down at each other.
Only one I didn't like was Joe he always made it seem as he was at a war zone and he had to save everyone.
 
I think there's another thread about dual survival but I'm not sure. But I agree the formula of the show is so overplayed. It's not about survival or skills or anything, at least in the first episodes of the show it was somewhat about the techniques used.


You are correct, Sir...

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...two-new-hosts-meh-And-Survivorman-been-better

I'm always just a little puzzled what a survival show is actually supposed to exhibit anyways. The viewer has to immediately ignore the fact that there's a film crew "along for the ride." And, Yes, there will always be the fact in Mr. Stroud's case that Les films himself which I smile to myself as the camera records him walking off into the horizon or boarding a selfmade watercraft as he paddles off into the great blue. (I guess he paddles back to get it after the shot otherwise how would we ever see it :D ). One man against the odds, be it real or "Presented" , it's obviously a very popular genre', almost as popular as the Alaska themed shows. But it gets a wee stale after season 5 episode 23.
Survive in the arctic. Done that.
Survive in the desert. Done that.
Survive on an island. Done that.
Survive in an abandoned car. Done that
Wait, what about TWO? They'd watch that wouldn't they?
But not just ANY two....
DS took it another step further with the Soldier vs Hippie theme. And we can only imagine how much of the chemistry (or lack of it) between the characters was evident or acted out. And it's never just a Soldier, oh no, as if an infantry man can not make fire from steel wool and a 'D' battery unless he spent his MOS at Ft Bragg, but an uber soldier, Black Ops, Special forces, Airborne Ranger, SAS, type.
And then
Enter the all natural, fully sustainable, wholly organic, gluten free, never wears shoes, never cuts hair, only 100% beeswax ever touches these lips, 'whatever the "GRID is I aint on it, brother', Side kick
each representing polar ends of the survival spectrum. But alas, dominant personalities are never compatible for long and in short order the show becomes more about the personal differences between Sgt York and Moonpuppy rather than the presented scenario they have to overcome. But even this grows old and after so many seasons the producers have to reinvent the show.
And yet, don't we love it? I watched every episode of Cody and Canterbury.

We didn't call it "Bushcraft" or "Survival" or" Off the Grid" in my childhood, and because of these shows those terms are now recognised by even school age kids. And many of the skills presented in the shows some viewers have never seen or experienced, so there's certainly that. That's the beauty of Creek Stuart's show. People out of shape with no woodslore get a crash course in Now and then we get to see if they learned anything. For some its life changing. But for me the real joy is the winner gets a knife.

I watched both the shows back to back and like the replies above I felt I've seen better from both production teams. Les came off as being very preachy and quite honestly when Cody left the show, Dual lost its magic for me long ago. I didn't see anything in this edition that brought it back.
These days the need to constantly build the drama up before the commercial breaks is overkill.
I've not only got my life but I've got (insert name) life in my hands too. If I don't get this (fire started, shelter built, boat hole patched, cordage finished) we could die!!!)
Once the necessary anticipation had been initiated, roll the new car commercial.
 
Was flipping through the channels and watched Dual Survival for a bit - was wondering if anyone knew the type of moccasins Bill is wearing in the Namib Desert of Africa episode? They appear to have a Vibram sole - or the company has a yellow tag in the middle of the rubber sole.
 
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Yes DS is very predictable and boring now. my daughter likes it so I watch it with her but honestly is so over played. IMO
 
I am pleasantly surprised to find your comments as if coming out of my own head. Actually I shouldn't be since we are like-minded here in the community. Most of what Discovery is producing nowadays is exclusively based on human characters conflicting. There is very little to nothing to learn from the shows. Since this attitude must deliver good demographics (or they wouldn't make the shows), one can only wonder what happened to the educational role of television. Apparently what we need is seed for gossip, Survivor-style, not knowledge.
 
A recent episode shows that they are going to start rotating different survivalists through ,but I think Grady is going to be the regular-basically they got rid of Bill(I thought he was a decent character)....anyhow if these guys can make a little money doing what they love,and we learn a little something on the side more power to them,I would rather watch a bad episode of dual survival than a good episode of some of the drama garbage they used to show,or anymore CSI,criminal minds,etc...:barf:
 
Totally subscribe to that, BITEME. Floating frames on wall-sized HD monitors and instant 3-D crime animations in police station that look like star-ships has driven me long ago away from crime shows. Criminal minds is just too sick for me. Much rather watch Bill make an obsidian spear-point or using a bow drill, none of which I know how to do but wish I would.
 
A recent episode shows that they are going to start rotating different survivalists through ,but I think Grady is going to be the regular-basically they got rid of Bill(I thought he was a decent character)....anyhow if these guys can make a little money doing what they love,and we learn a little something on the side more power to them,I would rather watch a bad episode of dual survival than a good episode of some of the drama garbage they used to show,or anymore CSI,criminal minds,etc...:barf:

I always liked that Matt Graham fellow. But I guess that his rational/mild personality didn't create enough drama. He had slightly left spiritual/naturalistic beliefs/values which were actually admirable in my eyes, as he could keep that under wraps to avoid unnecessary conflict. The guy would disagree, but he could still bend for ''the team'' and meet his partner close to the middle for their mutual success.
 
I'd argue that the show jumped the shark when Dave Canterbury mutilated himself to demonstrate the use of gunpowder to cauterize wounds :)
I've seen glimpses of the new duo, but I wonder if they have enough charisma and personality as the previous guys to carry the show?

What the producers should do is have a ex-miltary style or modern survivalist pair with a real "primitive" expert from another country like a mountain tribesman from Vietnam, Borneo, or the Philippines, or an aboriginal from Australia or other country. Although the aboriginal/native ethnic expert will probably have a skillset best suited best to their original home, I'll bet we will be pleasantly surprised seeing their survival skills in a different environment. That would be amazing to watch. The language barrier would make it even more interesting.
 
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