New Fla. Gun Law

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Tuesday, April 5, 2005 · Last updated 5:06 p.m. PT

Fla. governor to sign bill allowing force

By DAVID ROYSE
ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. -- Gov. Jeb Bush said Tuesday he intends to sign a bill that would allow people who feel threatened - even on the street or at a baseball game - to "meet force with force" and defend themselves without fear of prosecution.

The measure, the top priority of the National Rifle Association in Florida this year, passed the House 94-20 on Tuesday. It had already passed the Senate.

Bush, who has championed tougher penalties for people convicted of using guns in crimes, said the bill is about self-defense and called it "a good, common sense, anti-crime issue."

The measure essentially extends a right Floridians already have in their home or car. Under present law, however, people attacked anywhere else are supposed to do what they can to avoid escalating the situation and can use deadly force only after they've tried to retreat.

"I'm sorry, people, but if I'm attacked I shouldn't have a duty to retreat," said the bill's sponsor, state Rep. Dennis Baxley. "That's a good way to get shot in the back."

Baxley said that if people have the clear right to defend themselves without having to worry about legal consequences, criminals will think twice.

Opponents feared the bill would make Florida resemble the wild West, but defenders say it is no different from what most other states allow in laws governing self-defense.

The bill says a person has "the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so, to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another."
 
Only in a AmeriKa would a law be controversial giving back what should never have been taken.


The anti gun folks said the shall issue concealed carry would result in a blood bath too. Didn't happen.

We try so hard and mean well and pass laws. Sigh. They are Quixotic and multi layered and maze- like. You really need a video camera and a Lawyer by your side to conduct Life these days. We're not evil, we're just mixed up.

How else and where else would the IRS flourish?
Ants used to perplex Scientists until they discovered the chemical tracers left for organization and commication. Can you imagine an Advanced Civilization from Outer Space reviewing our criminal and civil codes in an attempt to understand us?
(You see DannyinJapan, I've been inclusive and thrown in your favorite topic. 7 out of 10 Aliens prefer Dune to the Tax codes...)

When things are too complex and unhappy, chopping wood with a simple and elegant Khukuri helps enormously.

munk
 
that's great and all, but what would happen to someone who used "force" that isn't a firearm? say a knife for example... he/she would probably be in deep trouble right?
 
The law as quoted states 'force with force, including deadly force." It doesn't seem to limit choice.




munk
 
Go Jeb!!!!

It will take the courts at least ten years to establish threat level standards
and appropriate responses for civilians
 
Actually, this is not a new law. it is more like the FL law re-aligning with the Bill of Rights, and with its previous laws, or so I'm told by Fla gunowners.

Keith
 
Interesting. Has some obvious good points. Wonder how it will be abused by people with less than good intentions. There is lots of ground for interpreting threat levels - e.g. does someone have to pull a gun before you can legally shoot them?
 
All I can say is :D. Florida is starting to look like a nice place to live. I just wish it weren't so damn hot.
 
The best unintended consequence could be that more people start treating strangers with respect.
 
"An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life." --Robert A. Heinlein
 
A State of heavily armed residents with Senile Dementia inspires politeness, and bald faced terror...



munk
 
I was trying to imagine the lines to the restrooms at a AARP convention...
 
cliff355 said:
I wonder if any part of this is prompted by the large number of retirement community residents down there who aren't in any shape to run away even if they wanted to. Laws like this would be a great comfort to slow-moving duffers like me.

I resemble that remark!!!!! :D :D :D
 
Fleeing in golf carts.

Turning up their hearing aides in the middle of a shake-down. "Eh, what's that you say? You want my mallet?"







munk
 
Using deadly force "only after they have tried to retreat"???

Sounds like it's a good thing they changed that law. If you feel your life is in danger then you should be able to defend yourself no matter what.
 
cliff355 said:
Sounds like polite behavior may become mandatory in the viscinity of retirement communities, though there would be no exemption from the usual 8.5 years of civil litigation which follow such incidents.

Good point. What happens when somebody dies during litigation? Does the suit get passed on to their estate? Not such a nice thing to leave you heirs (assuming you're on good terms with them!)
 
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