New here... got a couple questions...

fivelitermustang · Feb 27, 2005

First off I'd like to say that this is a great forum with a wealth of information. I am definately going to be sticking around in the future.

Anyhow here are my questions:

#1
I managed to pick up a NIB Peacekeeper I in 420 for ~$40US (so not too bad). Anyhow, when I first got it the point was sharp as a needle... I pushed it a little bit into some drywall and the tip seems to be blunted out ever so slightly. It this normal?

How tough will this knife be? In the video I see the CS guys stabbing it through a car hood and whatnot and there doesn't seem to be any breakage? With the 420 steel would I have to worry about breakage or would I have to worry about it warping first (if I ever put this knife to this kind of abuse).

Lastly, I've been contemplating just keeping it in the car for the fact that's it's too big to EDC and that it's stainless? Would this be an effective self-defense knife?

#2
For EDC utility, I also have a Cold Steel Recon 1, plain clip point which I got for a decent price. I've had it for a couple of months. The mechanism has begun to make a sqeaky noise when closing it seems to be quite "grainy". I've tightened up the main screw but this doesn't solve the problem. Is it ok to put some WD40 on the axis-lock track?

Thanks for any help guys.

nelsonmc · Feb 27, 2005

fivelitermustang said:
First off I'd like to say that this is a great forum with a wealth of information. I am definately going to be sticking around in the future.

Anyhow here are my questions:

#1
I managed to pick up a NIB Peacekeeper I in 420 for ~$40US (so not too bad). Anyhow, when I first got it the point was sharp as a needle... I pushed it a little bit into some drywall and the tip seems to be blunted out ever so slightly. It this normal?

How tough will this knife be? In the video I see the CS guys stabbing it through a car hood and whatnot and there doesn't seem to be any breakage? With the 420 steel would I have to worry about breakage or would I have to worry about it warping first (if I ever put this knife to this kind of abuse).

Lastly, I've been contemplating just keeping it in the car for the fact that's it's too big to EDC and that it's stainless? Would this be an effective self-defense knife?

Welcome to the forum!
I've had a few CS knives, all of which I've either broken the tips or dulled the hell out of them, I think it's common with Cold Steel. As for keeping it in your car yeah, I can't see any problem with that and I'm sure it would be a fine SD knife. As for their MORE PROOF video, take everything they did with a grain of salt.

fivelitermustang said:
#2
For EDC utility, I also have a Cold Steel Recon 1, plain clip point which I got for a decent price. I've had it for a couple of months. The mechanism has begun to make a sqeaky noise when closing it seems to be quite "grainy". I've tightened up the main screw but this doesn't solve the problem. Is it ok to put some WD40 on the axis-lock track?

Thanks for any help guys.

I've been wanting to get a Recon 1, looks like a mighty fine knife. As for the squeaky noise and "grainy" feel, I'd take it apart and wash it in the sink, dry it out real well then put a drop of Militech on the axis lock and pivot.

fedaykincmndr · Feb 27, 2005

I second the CS for strictly SD and as a car blade. As for the tip on CS breaking, that's uniform. EDC, I'd look at something more reliable. CRKT's old line of stuff is great. The M1602Z I have has had everything in the world done to it, including a tour in the Corps and is still one of the best knives I own. That's just my opinion though. I'm kind of put off by CS stuff lately. As often as it's been said; too much talk, not enough walk. Might try the Master Hunter; That's one of the few I've heard that've been anywhere near reliable. One more thing...

WELCOME TO BF!!!!!

underaged! · Feb 27, 2005

I would stay away from CS in the future. With the exception of their Voyager series, and their fixed blades.

Don't use WD-40 for the lock. If you can't get you hands on some gun oil, 3-in-1 oil will do fine. I think oiling and playing with it should help with the grittyness.

yoda4561 · Feb 27, 2005

Stabbing through thin sheet steel is easy if you can stab it hard enough, all the force is in direct line with the center of the blade, so there are only compression forces to deal with. With a straight enough stab you would probably only see blunting even on thick impenetrable steel plate. I certainly wouldn't pry with it, it should be fine for removing staples from packing boxes or something but the tip is very thin, so don't press the issue if something doesn't want to move.

420 should be tough (bending long before breaking) but heat treat will ultimately determine that, and I have no idea if CS's 420 heat treat is any good. I've seen a few 420 knives that were brittle and just snapped readily, and a few that flop to 90 degrees with a bit of effort and stay there. The only "quality" 420 knife i've owned was an old model bucklite, and that tip was way too thin for me to even consider prying with.

fivelitermustang · Feb 28, 2005

Thanks for the nice welcome...

The Recon 1... well I took a little bit of WD-40 and put it in the lock. The blade moves like butter. It's absolutely effortless in flipping out and back in now.

Nelson,
Although the Recon 1 has gotten some mixed reviews on here, personally I've never had any serious trouble with it. Stays decently sharp, looks amazing, and the operation is light as a feather with rock solid lockup with zero blade play. People said it's too heavy but I kind of like that extra mass... I think it makes a great EDC utility and I think it would definately hold it's own against various folding fighters.

fedaykincmndr,
Yeah, for my next knife I have my eyes on the CRKT M16 titanium with double flipper BUT, I'm not sold on the linerlock/LAWKS combo... supposedly it's not all that it's cracked up to be. I honestly don't feel comfortable stabbing a knife which has a blade which is supported by a millimiter wide strip of metal. LOL

bishop85gt · Feb 28, 2005

What 5.0 do you have?

nelsonmc · Feb 28, 2005

fivelitermustang said:
Nelson,
Although the Recon 1 has gotten some mixed reviews on here, personally I've never had any serious trouble with it. Stays decently sharp, looks amazing, and the operation is light as a feather with rock solid lockup with zero blade play. People said it's too heavy but I kind of like that extra mass... I think it makes a great EDC utility and I think it would definately hold it's own against various folding fighters.

Thanks Fiveliter! I actually like blades with more beef to them. I can't stand the lightweight trend, sure my pants might not fall down, but maybe I want them to

JD Mandrell · Feb 28, 2005

Welcome to the forums!

My dream car to some day own is a 66 'stang!

If I remember right, isn't the Peacekeeper series double edged?

If so you might want to check on that for self-defense in your car, some states might be "iffy" on that, my home state of Il. would frown on it, and it would be illegal to carry it on your person here.

The Recon folder's I have picked up at knife shows and handled all seemed a little "grainy" also, but I admit that I have had a few Benchamdes that were when I bought them, but a little time opening them smoothed them out soon.

ENJOY your new knives!