New knife Duty Tested and broken

jikangchen

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It's a good day, Spring is now coming.
It's a good day, my knife was broken.

As my new hunter size blade prototype was now finished,I tried to do some testing.

Now friends, I'd like to show you some pics.

It's now good days in NanJing,low air pollution. Sunshine and very good air(comparing before). I went to countryside to meet my parents and test my new knife.

See some potherb in the lower reaches of ChangJiang River.

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I did a little in the night when I went to my parents' home, I chopped bamboo, but seems a hunter size knife is not fit for chopping as expected.

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On the next day, I began to do some testing we wished.

First is digging hole in a pine tree plank.

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After about 200-300 times of digging, we got the hole.You can't find any blade changing in the pics, but there do have some white piont on the tip blade.

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The pine plank is about 1.5" thick, S35VN is good at it's job.

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Let's try something else. How about Baton? Here's some cut wood around me which my father has already split.As my knife is not an axe, the split woods are big enough for our testing.

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The knife can shave hair during the Baton.

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A branch wood knot is a small challenge, of course we can baton it avoiding the knot, but let's try.

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After all the works, we can see everything is well. Knife can still shave hair,but not smooth.

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Here's the hero which helped us to do the baton.

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Surface is bad after these, Stonewash always makes us happy after washing.

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I felt good up to now. But bad news came.
I'm a knife throwing fan indeed. I decreased the handle weigh to change the gravity center for throwing.Now see the pics friends.
Everytime, I try to throw several times to find the correct distance between the target and me.Then increase strength time by time.I have a short video before the broken.But I can't upload it to Youtube.Chinese can't visit youtube at all.I tried to upload it to photobucket,But I don't know how to put it in this thread.Here's the link,very slow for me here.
http://s583.photobucket.com/user/njchenjiyi/media/Honest/5E8F521701.mp4.html

After I confirmed the correct distance,after this video, I put all my strength on it and tried to do a strongest throwing.Tragedy happened.I missed the target, knife flyed to the wall foot.With a unhappy sound of metal, the knife broken.


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We can see the fracture surface is uniform and symmetric.

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I did the heat treat seriously following the crucible datasheet. I chopped the iron wire several times with a water pipe on an iron block.The edge is not bad.


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No problem with heat treat.That's clear that my design should be updated.The handle lightening make the knife weak at the middle. Middle is the weakest part of a knife, weakest part was weaked. Broken started from the hole,Small contact surface for rivet and the hole because of lightening. Sorry I can't explain it in scientific english.
Now new project:
No flute around the first bolt.
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and,first rivet is at the narrowest point of the blade.

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Also,a little narrow for index finger(broken piont)

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Seems new project done.
But as we know, stress increase linearly from ends to middle,Let's make linear lightening,No knife could broken at the second part of the handle.also weight decrease there could change the gravity center more effectively.

Now I'm very glad to show you my new design. I think it is good and worth my paying.

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Thanks for looking. Really big job for me to say these in English.
 
Nice design, I really like the texture on the scales. The "tang lightening" reminds me of the Busse Light Brigade Treatment. I was able to understand your points in English very well. Isn't S35VN a difficult steel to heat treat? You must have some great equipment to do it yourself.
 
This is one IMPRESIVE review!

English came across very well!

Love the design, the scales look sweet!

Keep us posted!

工作看上去很不錯!繼續努力吧。我喜歡買一個!希望這個工作
 
Your knife look really nice.
What is the hardness of your blade?
If you want my mechanical engineer opinion, you should go thru the handle instead of pocket. Also, you should keep full thickness around your rivet.

Thank you for sharing your test.
 
I like the design, and you did well with the grind. I wouldn't mind getting a knife like that.
 
Overall a very nice knife but I don't like the choil ,it's to big for a sharpening choil .and to small for a finger,I can't see the point of it.but that,s just my opinion.Could you do a drawing without choil or with a finger choil just for comparison? Well done
 
Overall a very nice knife but I don't like the choil ,it's to big for a sharpening choil .and to small for a finger,I can't see the point of it.but that,s just my opinion.Could you do a drawing without choil or with a finger choil just for comparison? Well done

I believe, the choil isn't too big in reality; fits with the overall flow, complimenting the upper thumb rest, so estetically pleasing, and functional if you need to use the heel in minute work (like trapper, bushcraft and so on)....IMHO of course.

@JIKANGCHEN: Very honest review of your very good work!!!
 
Nice design, I really like the texture on the scales. The "tang lightening" reminds me of the Busse Light Brigade Treatment. I was able to understand your points in English very well. Isn't S35VN a difficult steel to heat treat? You must have some great equipment to do it yourself.

Yes, I'm also a busse fan. They always make great knives.
There's no problem with heattreat, All we should do is Set the program on the vaccum oven panel and listen to the "dadada" of vacuum pump.
 
This is a great, comprehensive and honest review. I think this knife has a huge amount of potential. I look forward to seeing what the next knife can do - after you fix the issues it should be very impressive. Thank you for sharing this with us.
 
This is one IMPRESIVE review!

English came across very well!

Love the design, the scales look sweet!

Keep us posted!

工作看上去很不錯!繼續努力吧。我喜歡買一個!希望這個工作

Myker: Thank you for your kind words, especially the chinese words. ;)

I will post what I do.
 
Tandem Expédition;13355724 said:
Your knife look really nice.
What is the hardness of your blade?
If you want my mechanical engineer opinion, you should go thru the handle instead of pocket. Also, you should keep full thickness around your rivet.

Thank you for sharing your test.

Tandem: The blade hardness is 59HRC(the broken one), I will always heat treat my blade to 58-59HRC,following crucible's datasheet.
I'm not very clear about "go thru the handle instead of pocket", Could you please make a simple skatch?
 
Thank you friends, Thank you for your encouragements. It's very hard for a chinese to show his knife here.
Everybody know made in china means what, But it's different this time.

Now begin, I will keep posting here step by step

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One of the reasons I like this thread so much is because it shows that there are quality manufacturers in China as well. Just because there are a lot of bad ones it doesn't mean there aren't some excellent ones with honest testing and appraisals. I would love to see you produce a very high quality knife model and I hope you do very well.
 
Overall a very nice knife but I don't like the choil ,it's to big for a sharpening choil .and to small for a finger,I can't see the point of it.but that,s just my opinion.Could you do a drawing without choil or with a finger choil just for comparison? Well done

Alrob:

The choil is a circle about 0.5" diameter. It's not very big because we need a transition distance to let the blade be sharp from spine thick.

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If we smaller the choil, the transition angle will be sharp, it's bad for sharpen or make a week point there.
I don't mean 4 o'clock, I mean the angle.

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Or we have to grind the blade to very back toward the handle. That will be ugly I think.

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Yes, a no choil one is not bad, but IMO a finger choil is not fit for suck a small blade.

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Do you think so?
 
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I don't personally like any type of choil so I really like the choiless knife drawing, I like it a lot to be honest and I say again well done I hope to see them in production , good luck with the project
 
Beautiful knife, and thanks for showing the engineering analysis and updated design. Can't wait to see the next one.
 
Looks like your heat treat is spot on. The pockets in the tang were a big no-no as you found out. Especially as your pins ran through them. Have you thought about a tapered tang? I really appreciate your honest testing. It did what you planned, showed the weakness.
 
Very nice write up and review of your blade. Great testing techniques! Beat up the knife until it fails is how you find the weak areas! I like the straight blade with no choil and the original design. The larger finger choil doesn't make the blade look symmetrical in my opinion. Very nice!
 
Hi, Op , i like your way of testing and your honest.


"We can see the fracture surface is uniform and symmetric." , that is not a good sign of breaking surface , if the blade is not fragile and you will get a breaking suface with some kind of deformation and the tissue of steel was elongated .

it is good to know that you had swiched to 3V steel , i am looking forward to more testing from you .:thumbup:
 
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