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My wife has been driving Hondas for awhile. No problem with them ever, but I have always been a Chevy guy, always drive Chevy trucks for work. She just got a 2007 Monte Carlo LT and I cannot believe what a great car it is. It is very well put together, loaded with options, drives great, and cost less than her 2003 Honda Accord coupe did. I wish more people that went away from domestic cars would look back to USA products, I think they would be impressed.
 
It seems like every car company, domestic or import, has one or two "good" models. I haven't ridden in a modern Monte Carlo, but those Chevy V8 pickup/car things are cool, especially the interior. The recent GMC trucks have been very attractive. The new Corvette is supposed to be one of the best ever as far as performance and handling. And the Buick and Cadillac brands are very high-rated as far as quality (unfortunately I don't like any of their current models).

It's interesting your wife has been driving Hondas. I've never been interested in them due to their ultra-bland interiors, limited number of models mass-produced by the billions, and generic exterior styling. But dispite those characteristics (or because of them), Hondas are big sellers in the US. The only Honda ever made that interests me is the S2000. So I bought one, and couldn't be happier. :)

Best Wishes,
-Bob
 
And the Buick and Cadillac brands are very high-rated as far as quality (unfortunately I don't like any of their current models).
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But yeah, I've cast a flirting glance over the Monte Carlo a few times at the dealer... nice car.
 
I recently came across the below article. Good stuff. (Apologize for the length but it was emailed to me, did not look for the article online).

American Perception Problems of the American Auto Industry
December 1, 2006​

Ford and General Motors have taken turns besting the Toyota Camry in quality surveys for the past two years, but if you talk to many Americans - especially the ones who would never consider supporting home-based auto companies - you'd never know it.

Last year, the Chevrolet Impala beat the Toyota Camry in initial quality according to J.D. Power & Associates, and Consumer Reports just announced that both the Ford Fusion and Mercury Milan scored higher than both the Toyota Camry and the Honda Accord this year.

After the announcement, Ford's Director of Global Quality Debbe Yeager commented "It's a perception gap," referring to the struggle American companies have had overcoming the perceived and seemingly untarnishable reputation of their foreign rivals.

Even as GM and Ford have accumulated award after award on vehicle quality, you'd almost never know about such quality gains made by American companies - or quality declines of foreign companies - by listening to the media. Did you hear about it when the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration announced that Toyota recalled more vehicles than it sold in the U.S. last year? Probably not. Did you hear about Toyota making an "elaborate apology" for their "worrisome series of recalls" that has "tarnished its reputation for quality?" Probably not. Did you hear about the Toyota senior manager quote that stated "We used to do quiet recalls called 'service campaigns' to deal with defects but we're not going to hide anything anymore?" Such a statement suggests Toyota's past recall numbers were probably much higher than we were led to believe, and they profited handsomely by having a perception of higher quality than they deserved. In Japan, prosecutors are looking into possible negligence on the part of Toyota for shirking recalls for the last eight years. How ironic. You probably didn't hear about that one either because the American media doesn't like to bash foreign auto companies - only American ones.

Then there's the mythical perception that foreign automakers produce the most fuel efficient cars and that Detroit only makes gas-guzzlers when the truth is that all automakers - including Toyota, Honda and Hyundai-Kia alike - have allowed fuel economy to slide in the past 20 years since they all now sell bigger trucks and more SUVs. One of Toyota's senior executives was even quoted in the Wall St. Journal September 28 saying that both the Toyota Sequoia and Tundra "are big gas-guzzling vehicles" and expressed "concern about the longer-term prospects." These longer-term prospects about their admitted gas-guzzlers are questioned because they know that Ford's F-150 and Chevy's Silverado have led the pack in sales year after year.

Yes, gasoline has been getting more expensive - at least until recently - but the fact that Americans continue to buy it in greater quantities qualifies us as hypocrites for suggesting GM and Ford stop building so many big trucks and SUVs. After all, GM and Ford are only responding to demand as any company would and should if they want to remain profitable in a cut-throat competitive market. According to a Business Week survey, we Americans bought 10% more gasoline in the first six months of 2006 compared to the first six months of 2000 even though gas prices rose 75% in that period. Maybe here I could also mention that the Chevy Tahoe beat the gas-guzzling Toyota Sequoia in quality surveys and gets better gas mileage to boot.

But what has happened since gas prices have been on the decline in recent months? The Wall Street Journal reported a "slight" increase in truck sales by American companies, as Ford Expedition sales were up 41% and Lincoln Navigator sales were up 44%. The American media even tries to restrain its applause for home-based auto companies by referring to gains of over 40% as "slight!"

Perhaps the biggest perception problem is that American automobile companies GM and Ford (Chrysler is now German-owned) squander all their money on plants overseas and foreign automakers build their factories in the U.S. Foreign car lovers will surely point to Kia's plans to build its first-ever U.S. plant in Georgia, but they probably won't mention that they received $400 million in tax giveaways to do it, which translates into $160,000 per job. Among the many benefits for the foreign-owned company, your tax dollars are going to be used for road improvements surrounding the complex, complete with flower beds and other beautification features. Hey, as long as we're going to allow states to bid for private jobs with our public tax dollars, we might as well make it look good, right?

And the foreign car lovers will probably also not tell you (or maybe they just don't know or don't want you to know) that GM and Ford pour more money into existing American facilities than foreign automakers spend on new plants, usually with little or no tax breaks. GM has already spent over $500 million upgrading two transmission plants this year, and has spent nearly a billion dollars over the last decade, for example, for facility upgrades in Texas. And what do GM and Ford get for making their existing plants more efficient? It isn't tax breaks. Instead, they get accusations of not being "competitive" enough! Maybe here I should also mention that the average domestic parts content for Kia is 3%, while the average domestic parts content of Ford and GM is 78% and 74% respectively. This means that buying a U.S.-assembled (or even foreign-assembled, for that matter) GM or Ford supports more American jobs than a U.S-assembled car or truck with a foreign nameplate.

Fortunately for our benefit, the U.S. remains the overall global leader in research and development, and a big reason for that is that American automakers - according to the Level Field Institute - invest $16 billion in R&D (Research & Development) annually, which outpaces any other industry one could name. Admittedly, the Level Field Institute counts German-owned DaimlerChrysler as an American automaker, so Ford and GM's combined R&D contribution to America is closer to around $12 billion. But who's counting, right? Certainly not the American auto-bashing media.

Japanese companies do employ 3,600 American workers in R&D, but that still leaves the foreign competition behind in the dust staring at American rear bumpers. 3,600 sounds like a big number until you realize that 65,000 Americans work in R&D facilities in the state of Michigan alone. In fact, two of the top four R&D spending companies in America as reported by the Wall Street Journal are - you guessed it - Ford and General Motors. The other two are also American companies: Pfizer and Microsoft.

Ford has recently made headlines as the American automaker with the most challenges to its future, but these challenges certainly are not because they "aren't making cars people want to buy." Toyota did outsell Ford in July, but since then, Ford has reclaimed the No 2 spot and has held it ever since. GM has the highest market share, increasing over 2 percentage points from a year ago. So apparently they can't be accused of not making cars people want to buy either. Ford sales are also up in Europe, and Ford doubled their sales in China, where GM has the highest market share of any automaker.

General Motors also reported a 3.9% rise in August vehicle sales despite high gas prices and a supposedly slowing economy. And even though Toyota reported record sales that month, they couldn't match the non-record setting sales volume of Ford. GM's sales rose 17% in October from the same month in 2005 and Ford sales rose 8% in the same period. Ford also sits on $23 billion in cash, so they have plenty of money to focus on and fix any problems.

And for all the talk about the lack of fuel efficiency of American automakers, it seems three-fourths of all automakers failed to meet Europe's improved fuel-efficiency standards intended to cut carbon-dioxide emissions. Japanese and German automakers topped the list of the study's worst performers, but according to an environmental group's study, GM's Opel division and Ford both "come out well."

In closing, I'll leave some encouraging numbers for those of us who actually like to root for and support the home team. The J.D. Power 2006 Vehicle Dependability Survey reports that Mercury, Buick and Cadillac (in that order) grabbed the number 2, 3 and 4 spots to beat Toyota, Honda, Nissan, BMW and everyone else (except Lexus) in having the least number of problems per 100 vehicles.

Perhaps someday the American media will give GM and Ford the credit they deserve. And once they do, perception among the majority of the American public will rightfully change. GM and Ford aren't only doing what they should to make gains in the American market to deserve American consumer loyalty; they're also doing what they should to make gains in the markets of China, Europe and across most of the rest of the globe.

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Roger Simmermaker is the author of "How Americans Can Buy American: The Power of Consumer Patriotism." He also writes "Buy American Mention of the Week" articles for his website http://wwwhowtobuyamerican.com/ and is a member of the Machinists Union and National Writers Union. Roger has been a frequent guest on the Fox News Channel, CNN and MSNBC and has been quoted in the USA Today, Wall Street Journal and US News & World Report among many other publications.

Roger Simmermaker, Author
How Americans Can Buy American
www.howtobuyamerican.com
 
That is by far my favorite Cadillac model, and the only two-door they offer. And for $78,000 ($98,000 for the V model) I'm sure it's a nice car. But I prefered the sensual, classy, curved styling of the Eldorado.

And for $11,000 less, you can buy the Lexus SC430, the highest quality vehicle on the entire planet. And the SC430 happens to be loaded with sexy curves. :)

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announced that both the Ford Fusion and Mercury Milan scored higher than both the Toyota Camry and the Honda Accord this year.
Honda overall has always been an average-quality or above-average-quality brand, never top ranking. Better than the generic Ford brand, but usually not ranking as high as Mercury or Lincoln.

In closing, I'll leave some encouraging numbers for those of us who actually like to root for and support the home team. The J.D. Power 2006 Vehicle Dependability Survey reports that Mercury, Buick and Cadillac (in that order) grabbed the number 2, 3 and 4 spots to beat Toyota, Honda, Nissan, BMW and everyone else (except Lexus) in having the least number of problems per 100 vehicles.
Nissan and BMW have never been high-quality brands, although Nissan is improving. Lexus was the #1 brand for 11 years in a row in the Initial Quality Survey, although it lost out this year to Porche.

My point, these quality myths are only myths to people who don't actually read the yearly reports.

-Bob

p.s. To add to that artical/rant, the F150 was #1 for Initial Quality in it's class for '06. No Toyota truck earned a top-3 ranking this year.
 
Don't people read the rules of the forum you are posting in? You started this in the Community Forum. This is not Gadgets & Gear. Read the rules of the Community Forum. I didn't post the announcement there to be funny. Get with the program. And you regulars should know better as well. Report the post if you know it's in the wrong forum. :mad: :mad: :mad:

Moving this to the appropriate forum.
 
say what you want about american cars-from my experience they are crap-
owned nothing but for 25 plus years off hand can think of 10 new cars all american and everyone was garbage-
my new toyota has 15 grand and i havent visited the shop-my american ones gave me enough dealer time that people thgought i worked at them-

perception can be based on reality-
 
Its a Chevy POS---thats all I need to know---as I don't waste my time with junk cars. Fords are even worse.

Detroit lost me years ago---and NO---I won't be coming back.

Screw me once--shame on you---Screw me twice....................................
 
Percepton is reality to some, regardless that things change and the newer models are easily as good if not cheaper.

Case in point, if things were really the same, Gerber and Kershaw wouldn't have traded places on the market. We know better.

It's time to look again and make new decisions. American cars kick butt - and you don't have to wait 4 weeks for parts to come from Japan.
 
"and you don't have to wait 4 weeks for parts to come from Japan."

Why would I need parts?---my Nissans have never needed fixin other than worn brake pads and I never waited a month for those.
 
my Nissans have never needed fixin other than worn brake pads and I never waited a month for those.
Everyone has stories of certain cars they own/owned that were great or were huge piles of dung. That's called "anecdotal evidence". It makes for great advertising, but is not proof of anything.

In the latest Initial Quality Survey, Nissan did pretty well overall. It came in just above the industry average and beat Chevrolet by 3 repairs per 100 vehicles and Ford by 6 repairs per 100 vehicles. However, Nissan ranked lower than Lincoln, Chrysler, GMC, Cadillac, and Jaguar.

Nissan's premium brand, Infinity, ranked higher than every American brand except Cadillac and Jaguar.

As far as individual models, Nissan made a fair showing, but had no vehicles ranked #1 in their class. The Nissan Maxima ranked #3 for "Large Cars", behind the Grand Prix and Azera. The Nisssan Xterra ranked #3 in it's class, behind the Tucson and the CR-V.

Something that gives me a chuckle every time I see it, the generic Honda cars are higher quality than their premium Acura line. :)

http://www.jdpower.com/corporate/news/releases/pdf/2006082.pdf

-Bob
 
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LOL! :rolleyes: Hey, the article fit the topic nicely. :D

Plus the areas I highlighted (which I did spend some time on with the goofy text editor) about sum it up for me.

But, I do agree with "Bob W", everyone has there own stories. My First car was a 1990 Toyota Tercel (in '94). What a POS! The money we poured into that thing! After a year or so I picked up a Honda Accord. That one was a good car for a number of years. The funny thing is when my Brother bought it off me cheap, it started to fall apart (you name the problem...)! Today, my Wife has a Pontiac Montana that has 130k miles and we have never had any problems, nor done anything but regular maintenance. I have a Saab 9-5 that I had for 6 years, fantastic!

Everyone has their own opinions and their own experiences. They will buy what they will buy. That is fine with me as there are A LOT of cars available out there to choose from! Good luck with whatever you buy!
 
The Ford Focus was on the Car & Driver Top Ten List one year. I went and took one for a test drive. It handled just fine. A friend has one and had transmission trouble just after 50K. Same friend had a Ranger that he cursed, not sure why he got the Focus. Another friend had to have the struts replaced on a two year old Focus. I'm glad I didn't get one. Another friend has had her new Cougar in the shop more often than her husbands 20 year old Nissan 240. The 5.4 Triton on my Father-in-Law's Expedition that blew a spark plug right out of the block and stripped the threads in the process and I'll pass on the new Fords. My wife's '92 Probe was nice and I do trust the old cast iron 302. But you won't catch me in a Fusion till I know how they hold up in the long run.

I've had better luck with Chevy. My Mom's old Caprice wagon was iffy (lots of electrical glitches) but I beat the holy hell out of a '97 S-10. Good little truck. I wish I hadn't used it for work, I'd still be driving it.

My wife's '03 Civic has been a good little car, so far. Nothing other than routine maintenance. Same goes for a friend's CR-V. Not a glitch in five years. For now, I'm sticking to Honda. YMMV

Frank
 
And I have switched over to Toyota!! I had been a Ford driver for umpteen years. Then I bought an F-250 Diesel 6.0, that truck stranded me twice; once in the dead of winter!! I got rid of it. But that was the only bad experience with Ford, they had been good solid vehicles. It was also a very large truck, that was difficult to maneuver in Boston. Not to mention that the price of diesel was higher than gas. We opted to get a smaller truck. Now mind you, I have fully intended to get an F-150, Super Crew, 4x4, Lariat. I took one out for a test drive. I also took out a Toyota Tundra, Double Cab. I felt that the Tundra out classes the Ford, and I found myself telling my Ford dealer that I wanted the Tundra. I LOVE my Tundra. It is the best truck I have ever owned. I would never consider a Chevy. I have rambled on enough.
 
My wife has been driving Hondas for awhile. No problem with them ever, but I have always been a Chevy guy, always drive Chevy trucks for work. She just got a 2007 Monte Carlo LT and I cannot believe what a great car it is. It is very well put together, loaded with options, drives great, and cost less than her 2003 Honda Accord coupe did. I wish more people that went away from domestic cars would look back to USA products, I think they would be impressed.

Congrats on your new Monte Carlo. I'm a Chevy guy as well, and well I guess a big Monte Carlo fan. I still have a 78 that my grandmother purchased new, and it only has 49000 miles on it. In 2000 I purchased my wife a new LS model Monte and we put 56000 on it with no problems whatsoever before trading it in on an 03 SS. We put 60000 on it with no problems. I really hate that we traded it in this year for a new Tahoe, but we have another child and we needed a bigger car. I love the Tahoe, but it sure was tempting to buy another black Monte Carlo. Those new ones are really sharp.
 
I just checked out the Monte Carlo SS photos at the Chevy website. On the outside they look the same as they have the past few years. But it sure appears as if the interior has been upgraded - that's a usual sore spot betweem me and Chevrolet.

The price is great too. The Monte Carlo is perhaps the only two door V-8 on the planet for under $30,000. I just configured a car with leather, moonroof, and an upgrade package. It came to $29,700. :thumbup:

It's filling a niche in the market that's been abandoned since the Cougar, Thunderbird, and Mark VIII have all been discontinued.

But would I buy one today, for instance if my car spontaneously exploded? Nope. The only GM I'd consider for immediate purchase is the Solstice GXP. :cool:

-Bob
 
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